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Limiting the power of the goverment also freqently involves corruption, companies bribing politicans to avoid popular safety and labor regulations

by rat87 2y ago

tastyfreeze 2y ago
I think you are missing the point. Corruption is inevitable. Limiting the scope of the government restricts the scope of possible corruption.
- rat87 2y ago
  Its not inevitable at least at scale. You can build a good goverment with transperancy and minimal corruption. Its just hard.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    Only worked in smaller countries, ie states. Limit the power of federal government and you can get pretty nice states, and you wouldn't have to worry about someone like Trump.
    - rat87 2y ago
      Generally some of the worst things come from defering to the states. From slavery to jim crow. Not to forget federal workers safety and minimum wage laws which protect people even if their state goverments suck And you still have to worry about Trump because he doesnt care about the rule of law or the constitution. Its much easier to blindly destroy then to build. Plus almost no one actually cares about so called states rights(I'm sure you do but the actual number of people is negligble). Even before Trump most conservatives who claimed to care about it didnt. I prefer to be honest and state that at least in US history its usually a bad idea. But ill take good policy at any level, if a state implements good policy I wont object, although usually it would be ideal for a good policy to be nationwide and help most people.
- klipt 2y ago
  Limiting the scope of the government restricts the scope of possible government corruption. But there's still corporate corruption. Corruption among charities. Corruption among churches. Etc. There are trade offs everywhere. If you make your government too small to bust monopolies, then you end up with a country beholden to giant corrupt monopolies.

Limiting the power of the goverment also freqently involves corruption, companies bribing politicans to avoid popular safety and labor regulations

by rat87 2y ago

Limiting the power of the goverment also freqently involves corruption, companies bribing politicans to avoid popular safety and labor regulations

tastyfreeze 2y ago

I think you are missing the point. Corruption is inevitable. Limiting the scope of the government restricts the scope of possible corruption.

rat87 2y ago
Its not inevitable at least at scale. You can build a good goverment with transperancy and minimal corruption. Its just hard.
- Jensson 2y ago
  Only worked in smaller countries, ie states. Limit the power of federal government and you can get pretty nice states, and you wouldn't have to worry about someone like Trump.
  - rat87 2y ago
    Generally some of the worst things come from defering to the states. From slavery to jim crow. Not to forget federal workers safety and minimum wage laws which protect people even if their state goverments suck And you still have to worry about Trump because he doesnt care about the rule of law or the constitution. Its much easier to blindly destroy then to build. Plus almost no one actually cares about so called states rights(I'm sure you do but the actual number of people is negligble). Even before Trump most conservatives who claimed to care about it didnt. I prefer to be honest and state that at least in US history its usually a bad idea. But ill take good policy at any level, if a state implements good policy I wont object, although usually it would be ideal for a good policy to be nationwide and help most people.
klipt 2y ago
Limiting the scope of the government restricts the scope of possible government corruption. But there's still corporate corruption. Corruption among charities. Corruption among churches. Etc. There are trade offs everywhere. If you make your government too small to bust monopolies, then you end up with a country beholden to giant corrupt monopolies.