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DOGE isn't about efficiency, it is about removing checks and balances. Those are there to prevent malware like the GOP to take over the system. I hope the peop

DOGE isn't about efficiency, it is about removing checks and balances. Those are there to prevent malware like the GOP to take over the system. I hope the people behind the submission get their message across. But you shouldn't have the conversation about efficiency. That is entirely the distraction. Don't talk me about efficient governance of autocracy. It always ends in burning down the land on which it feasts.

galfarragem 2y ago
> Don't talk me about efficient governance of autocracy. Autocracies are not efficient at all. There's corruption everywhere. The larger the state, the more opportunities for corruption. Of course, dismantling the fat state will anger many - those who are fed by it. Unfortunately some "false positives" are part of the process. All the rest is poetry.
- Sammi 2y ago
  We are so way beyond any reasonable "you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette" arguments, and those are cheap talking points that I could have gotten on fox news that you are mindlessly repeating. You are tossing the baby out with the bathwater destroying all checks and balances as you go. This is the death of reason and nuance. This is how autocracy gets a foot in the door. This is the beginning of the end of democracy. And you're cheering on the autocrats.
  - exceptione 2y ago
    You should be afraid of one thing. The sane-looking replacement of Trump. When the fascists conclude the take-over is complete, they will prop up someone with a more acceptable appearance, and the public will be relieved. The media will keep a narrow focus on just the drama of actualities. But still, a tyranny installed, democracy gone. And people will accept it as the new normal. Everyone will keep normalizing everything, the rituals of democracy as a smokescreen for the powerful. Fake symbols. Fake titles. For the eyes that want to be blinded.
    - desumeku 2y ago
      You act like our institutions haven't already been ineffectual smokescreens for power to work behind the scenes. Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. People are just shocked to find out that an elected representative actually has the power to do things other than sitting there like a puppet.
      - exceptione 2y ago
        This is the work of decades long degradation, of pushing narratives, of selecting people into positions. Yes it has been a slippery slope. And now an avalanche, like planned. The work is you. You should be fed with so many distractions, so many logical fallacies, such that in the end you will say Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. They are the few. You are the numerous. So you should excuse them for what they do. You just did.
        desumeku 2y ago
        I can easily just turn around and say something like: "The work is you. You should be fed with so many distractions, so many logical fallacies, such that in the end you will say > Trump's presidency is the beginning of a fascist coup to destroy Democracy" At this point, this is not a struggle over reality-consensus, it is just a battle of who's propaganda is more convincing.
        exceptione 2y ago
        My friend, the world is not binary. It is not Dems vs Reps. It is not a matter of perfect democracy, and fascist tyranny, with nothing in between. The goal is the latter though. The super wealthy and powerful head to an era where they decide what happens, they do not want the rules and the law apply to them. ---------------------------- Angry about a transgender you have never seen? Good, very good. They want your power. It is you or them.
        2y ago

galfarragem 2y ago

> Don't talk me about efficient governance of autocracy. Autocracies are not efficient at all. There's corruption everywhere. The larger the state, the more opportunities for corruption. Of course, dismantling the fat state will anger many - those who are fed by it. Unfortunately some "false positives" are part of the process. All the rest is poetry.

Sammi 2y ago
We are so way beyond any reasonable "you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette" arguments, and those are cheap talking points that I could have gotten on fox news that you are mindlessly repeating. You are tossing the baby out with the bathwater destroying all checks and balances as you go. This is the death of reason and nuance. This is how autocracy gets a foot in the door. This is the beginning of the end of democracy. And you're cheering on the autocrats.
- exceptione 2y ago
  You should be afraid of one thing. The sane-looking replacement of Trump. When the fascists conclude the take-over is complete, they will prop up someone with a more acceptable appearance, and the public will be relieved. The media will keep a narrow focus on just the drama of actualities. But still, a tyranny installed, democracy gone. And people will accept it as the new normal. Everyone will keep normalizing everything, the rituals of democracy as a smokescreen for the powerful. Fake symbols. Fake titles. For the eyes that want to be blinded.
  - desumeku 2y ago
    You act like our institutions haven't already been ineffectual smokescreens for power to work behind the scenes. Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. People are just shocked to find out that an elected representative actually has the power to do things other than sitting there like a puppet.
    - exceptione 2y ago
      This is the work of decades long degradation, of pushing narratives, of selecting people into positions. Yes it has been a slippery slope. And now an avalanche, like planned. The work is you. You should be fed with so many distractions, so many logical fallacies, such that in the end you will say Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. They are the few. You are the numerous. So you should excuse them for what they do. You just did.
      - desumeku 2y ago
        I can easily just turn around and say something like: "The work is you. You should be fed with so many distractions, so many logical fallacies, such that in the end you will say > Trump's presidency is the beginning of a fascist coup to destroy Democracy" At this point, this is not a struggle over reality-consensus, it is just a battle of who's propaganda is more convincing.
        exceptione 2y ago
        My friend, the world is not binary. It is not Dems vs Reps. It is not a matter of perfect democracy, and fascist tyranny, with nothing in between. The goal is the latter though. The super wealthy and powerful head to an era where they decide what happens, they do not want the rules and the law apply to them. ---------------------------- Angry about a transgender you have never seen? Good, very good. They want your power. It is you or them.
        2y ago