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You really think we're burning wood in metal dustbins in Europe? Get a fucking grip.

cpursley 2y ago
Compare current Western European energy prices with the rest of the world (even adjusted for income parity) and get back to me. While you’re at it, take a look at the recent lists of shuttered industrial manufacturing and petroleum based agriculture. Then run the numbers on which industries support the generous EU welfare state. Plus the increased security demands (and lack of industry to support it). It’s just not mathing out, the future of Europe (other than as a Disneyland museum for rich Chinese, Russians and Americans) is looking bleak. And I hate it as a lover of Europe.
- LightBug1 2y ago
  I made a moral point, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. I couldn't really care less about the energy and industrial disparity between nations and continents. But please continue to knock yourself out with it if it pleases. Thanks.
  - cpursley 2y ago
    Moral point? “Democratic” European countries lock up more people for “mean” tweets and silent protests than autocratic Russia (who doesn’t claim to be democratic btw). And if you’re gonna downvote, by all means - prove me that I’m wrong with stats. I sincerely hope that I am, because that last 60mins with the Germans churned my stomach hard.
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    - bmacho 2y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2022-present)#Mass_arrests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2022–present)#Police_brutality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2... Here there are 10k people from a half-a-year period.
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      - cpursley 2y ago
        Now run those numbers per-capita (UK has been arresting around 3k a year for mean tweets). Democratic Germany has been rounding people up as well but I can't find their specific stats.
        bmacho 2y ago
        Source?
        bmacho 2y ago
        So I've found the claim on a fact-check website [0]. It claims that these numbers are not "mean tweets" but a wide range of criminal activity, including e.g. harassing in e-mail or "terrorism offences" and "threats of violence". Now some can argue that it shouldn't be a crime, nevertheless, I do not think that this proves your claim about > Moral point? “Democratic” European countries lock up more people for “mean” tweets and silent protests than autocratic Russia (who doesn’t claim to be democratic btw). (Which, I don't think is true. I believe it is very-very false.) [0] : https://pa.media/blogs/fact-check/russia-has-far-more-restrictions-on-social-media-use-than-the-uk/ https://pa.media/blogs/fact-check/russia-has-far-more-restri...

Compare current Western European energy prices with the rest of the world (even adjusted for income parity) and get back to me. While you’re at it, take a look at the recent lists of shuttered industrial manufacturing and petroleum based agriculture. Then run the numbers on which industries support the generous EU welfare state. Plus the increased security demands (and lack of industry to support it). It’s just not mathing out, the future of Europe (other than as a Disneyland museum for rich Chinese, Russians and Americans) is looking bleak. And I hate it as a lover of Europe.

LightBug1 2y ago
I made a moral point, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. I couldn't really care less about the energy and industrial disparity between nations and continents. But please continue to knock yourself out with it if it pleases. Thanks.
- cpursley 2y ago
  Moral point? “Democratic” European countries lock up more people for “mean” tweets and silent protests than autocratic Russia (who doesn’t claim to be democratic btw). And if you’re gonna downvote, by all means - prove me that I’m wrong with stats. I sincerely hope that I am, because that last 60mins with the Germans churned my stomach hard.
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  - bmacho 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2022-present)#Mass_arrests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2022–present)#Police_brutality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2... Here there are 10k people from a half-a-year period.
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    - cpursley 2y ago
      Now run those numbers per-capita (UK has been arresting around 3k a year for mean tweets). Democratic Germany has been rounding people up as well but I can't find their specific stats.
      - bmacho 2y ago
        Source?
        bmacho 2y ago
        So I've found the claim on a fact-check website [0]. It claims that these numbers are not "mean tweets" but a wide range of criminal activity, including e.g. harassing in e-mail or "terrorism offences" and "threats of violence". Now some can argue that it shouldn't be a crime, nevertheless, I do not think that this proves your claim about > Moral point? “Democratic” European countries lock up more people for “mean” tweets and silent protests than autocratic Russia (who doesn’t claim to be democratic btw). (Which, I don't think is true. I believe it is very-very false.) [0] : https://pa.media/blogs/fact-check/russia-has-far-more-restrictions-on-social-media-use-than-the-uk/ https://pa.media/blogs/fact-check/russia-has-far-more-restri...