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> Rails has started to show its age amid with the current wave of AI-powered applications. It struggles with LLM text streaming, parallel processing in Ruby No

by mbell 2y ago

> Rails has started to show its age amid with the current wave of AI-powered applications. It struggles with LLM text streaming, parallel processing in Ruby Not at all my experience, actually it was incredibly easy to get this working smoothly with hotwire and no javascript at all (outside the hotwire lib). We have a Rails app with thousands of users streaming agentic chat interfaces, we've had no issues at all with this aspect of things.

pmdr 2y ago
Agree. What Rails actually lacks is thousands of ready-made boilerplates that everyone and their grandma can use to spin a chat interface. Any programmer worth his salt should be able to write his own.
- infamouscow 2y ago
  The real problem is programmers that understand how a computer works end-to-end is becoming increasingly rare, and possibly accelerated by the adoption of LLMs. A lot of them prefer to write Ruby because it is simply the most beautiful language they know of. Technical details are merely a formality expressed in code that borders art. I was under the impression the industry was collectively moving in that direction, but then bootcamps ushered in a new era of midwit frontend developers hell bent on reinventing the wheel from scratch (poorly).
  - Capricorn2481 2y ago
    This makes it sound like new devs entering the work force are learning Ruby, which doesn't really make sense. I mean, look at the article title. Ruby's audience seem to be people that have been using it for 8+ years. The commenter you're replying to, in fact, is saying lack of fundamentals is the reason people AREN'T using Ruby
x0x0 2y ago
I've done all of the above in Hotwire. It really is a fantastic tool. I'd rate it as about 90%-ish of what react gives you at 5-10% of the development effort. React sites can definitely be nicer, but they are so much more work.
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  This has been my experience as well. Hotwire is actually a more pleasant experience than React. React is a good choice if you’ve got a huge dev team that can split things into components and independently work on things but otherwise React is so full of footguns that it’s almost comical that people choose it for anything other than bloated VC projects.
- jkestner 2y ago
  I wonder how it compares to Svelte for people. I weighed both but Svelte didn’t require me to learn Ruby (as much as I’m sure I’d enjoy it).
  - theonething 2y ago
    > but Svelte didn’t require me to learn Ruby You can use HotWire with any language/framework you want.

by mbell 2y ago

pmdr 2y ago

Agree. What Rails actually lacks is thousands of ready-made boilerplates that everyone and their grandma can use to spin a chat interface. Any programmer worth his salt should be able to write his own.

infamouscow 2y ago
The real problem is programmers that understand how a computer works end-to-end is becoming increasingly rare, and possibly accelerated by the adoption of LLMs. A lot of them prefer to write Ruby because it is simply the most beautiful language they know of. Technical details are merely a formality expressed in code that borders art. I was under the impression the industry was collectively moving in that direction, but then bootcamps ushered in a new era of midwit frontend developers hell bent on reinventing the wheel from scratch (poorly).
- Capricorn2481 2y ago
  This makes it sound like new devs entering the work force are learning Ruby, which doesn't really make sense. I mean, look at the article title. Ruby's audience seem to be people that have been using it for 8+ years. The commenter you're replying to, in fact, is saying lack of fundamentals is the reason people AREN'T using Ruby

x0x0 2y ago

I've done all of the above in Hotwire. It really is a fantastic tool. I'd rate it as about 90%-ish of what react gives you at 5-10% of the development effort. React sites can definitely be nicer, but they are so much more work.

adamtaylor_13 2y ago
This has been my experience as well. Hotwire is actually a more pleasant experience than React. React is a good choice if you’ve got a huge dev team that can split things into components and independently work on things but otherwise React is so full of footguns that it’s almost comical that people choose it for anything other than bloated VC projects.
jkestner 2y ago
I wonder how it compares to Svelte for people. I weighed both but Svelte didn’t require me to learn Ruby (as much as I’m sure I’d enjoy it).
- theonething 2y ago
  > but Svelte didn’t require me to learn Ruby You can use HotWire with any language/framework you want.