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It is a batteries included _front end_ framework. You don't need to worry about compiling, routing, code splitting, etc. Most of the things you described should

It is a batteries included _front end_ framework. You don't need to worry about compiling, routing, code splitting, etc. Most of the things you described should be handled by the back end service

caiohsramos 2y ago
>It is a batteries included _front end_ framework. From the first page of Next.js docs: "Next.js is a React framework for building full-stack web applications" > You don't need to worry about compiling, routing, code splitting, etc IMO that's the least you'd expect from a web framework.
Mystery-Machine 2y ago
Next.js doesn't even have authorization. What does it have? Server-side rendering? Cool.
- whstl 2y ago
  Hey, let's be fair here: Rails also doesn't have built-in authorization. You need something like Pundit or CanCanCan if you don't want to built it yourself. Also Rails only recently got authentication. For more than a decade you needed Devise or something else.
- pcthrowaway 2y ago
  I mean it has a router (2 actually), and NextAuth seems to be becoming something of a standard for many Next devs. Meanwhile.. last I checked you still had to choose how you were going to roll your own auth in rails. Are people not often just installing bcrypt and adding a users table with their password hash? Or is there a generator for all that now? Anyway, I disagree with the idea that Next is Rails-like. Adonis is probably still the closest in the JS/node ecosystem, though Redwood might also serve a similar niche for the types of apps it works for. Next and the other "frontend metaframeworks" (as they're called now), are certainly much closer than the most popular choices 7 or 8 years ago (often cobbling together React and Express and an ORM like Prisma, making a bunch of other decisions, and then doing a bunch of the integration work by hand)
  - heidarb 2y ago
    Devise has made it easy to add auth to rails apps for many years now. More recently there is also the built in auth generator.
    - pcthrowaway 2y ago
      Right, so Devise seems like for rails it's what NextAuth is for Next? Though I don't know if there's anything equivalent to rails' code generation yet.
kelvinjps10 2y ago
The back-end service being vercel, and its propietary offerings

It is a batteries included _front end_ framework. You don't need to worry about compiling, routing, code splitting, etc. Most of the things you described should be handled by the back end service

caiohsramos 2y ago

>It is a batteries included _front end_ framework. From the first page of Next.js docs: "Next.js is a React framework for building full-stack web applications" > You don't need to worry about compiling, routing, code splitting, etc IMO that's the least you'd expect from a web framework.

Mystery-Machine 2y ago

Next.js doesn't even have authorization. What does it have? Server-side rendering? Cool.

whstl 2y ago
Hey, let's be fair here: Rails also doesn't have built-in authorization. You need something like Pundit or CanCanCan if you don't want to built it yourself. Also Rails only recently got authentication. For more than a decade you needed Devise or something else.
pcthrowaway 2y ago
I mean it has a router (2 actually), and NextAuth seems to be becoming something of a standard for many Next devs. Meanwhile.. last I checked you still had to choose how you were going to roll your own auth in rails. Are people not often just installing bcrypt and adding a users table with their password hash? Or is there a generator for all that now? Anyway, I disagree with the idea that Next is Rails-like. Adonis is probably still the closest in the JS/node ecosystem, though Redwood might also serve a similar niche for the types of apps it works for. Next and the other "frontend metaframeworks" (as they're called now), are certainly much closer than the most popular choices 7 or 8 years ago (often cobbling together React and Express and an ORM like Prisma, making a bunch of other decisions, and then doing a bunch of the integration work by hand)
- heidarb 2y ago
  Devise has made it easy to add auth to rails apps for many years now. More recently there is also the built in auth generator.
  - pcthrowaway 2y ago
    Right, so Devise seems like for rails it's what NextAuth is for Next? Though I don't know if there's anything equivalent to rails' code generation yet.

kelvinjps10 2y ago

The back-end service being vercel, and its propietary offerings