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But we're seeing in real time that it can be run like a piggybank.

lazyeye 2y ago
Well till now it's been a piggy bank for a million political operatives, hacks and grifters so even if true it still might save the taxpayer money...
- EnergyAmy 2y ago
  That take is so naive it hurts. Musk will siphon more money to himself than anybody before, because he's destroying any checks on his ability to loot the government.
  - lazyeye 2y ago
    Not remotely naive. Fairly obviously a large proportion of USAid, in particular, is nothing more than a Democrat slush fund that funnels taxpayer money into Democrat "charities" and the like. I don't think I'm the naive person in this conversation.
    - piva00 2y ago
      Any sources for the large portion going to Democrat charities? Would appreciate something with a table or graph if it exists.
      - lazyeye 2y ago
        Seriously...the information is overwhelming if you're paying attention. Do your own research.
        vannevar 2y ago
        "Do your own research," the losing argument's last resort.
        lazyeye 2y ago
        Nope, seriously...do your own research.
        piva00 2y ago
        No, I won't do my own research, you've stated something, you know how to find the information to support it much easier than I could. Provide your sources or don't bring it up if you are unable to support your statement. Otherwise you're just spewing bullshit, why should I even care on doing research if I start to suspect you're a bullshitter?
        lazyeye 2y ago
        We all know how this goes...you'll only accept partisan, left-wing "news" orgs claiming they are "objective", whilst these same orgs consistently ignore anything that might be embarass the Dems. And so if your biased left-wing orgs didnt report it, then it didn't happen right? Here's 2 billion dollars for a "climate charity" run by a left-wing political hack (Stacey Abrams) with no background in climate (seriously do a keyword search for "climate" on her wikipedia bio), and for which the same charity a year previous had a grand total of $100 dollars in turnover. A clearly very credible organisation. https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/icymi-administrator-lee-zeldin-finds-gold-bars-epa-stacey-abrams-connected-group-biden https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/icymi-administrator-lee-zel...
        piva00 2y ago
        Nope, I'll accept aggregated data showing how the money is shared between charities and how these charities lean between partisan lines. You're the one making the claim, if so you had to have access to this data to make such claims and I would like to see it. If you have access to this data then it's much easier that you share it so we both have a common ground to develop from instead of forcing me to go look for it without even knowing where you are getting it from. You are burdening me for no reason, it's either you don't have such data and are making claims based on something else or just attempting to make me waste time. Share the data and sources so we have a common ground, otherwise your argument can be considered bullshit. I won't be wasting time to debunk bullshit, as the corollary goes it will take me at least 10x the effort to debunk it than you spewing it.
Molitor5901 2y ago
I have always believed in the adage that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Agencies like USAID have been piggy banks for politicians pork projects and causes forever. I've been in public policy in Washington, DC> for 22 years. We know there is rampant fraud in the government, we know there is highly questionable spending, but we don't talk about it because nobody wants to upset a member of congress. Members of congress don't talk about it generally because of my aforementioned adage. Everyone benefits. It really takes the President and the administration to bring this stuff to light, you simply cannot depend on congers or the bureaucracy. Nobody wants to lose their jobs or get hammered down for making a stink.
- vannevar 2y ago
  >We know there is rampant fraud in the government, we know there is highly questionable spending, but we don't talk about it because nobody wants to upset a member of congress. People talk about it all the time. And one man's 'fraud' is another man's policy initiative. It's easy to throw the F-word around to label any policy you don't like. And it's especially easy to handwave that there's "fraud everywhere" and use that as an excuse to loot the government yourself. You think there's "rampant fraud"? Put up or shut up, no one trusts your anonymous opinion. If there's actual fraud, Musk should be able to show evidence of it and bring charges against the perpetrators. The President doesn't get to just point at someone and yell "fraud" and make it so. Particularly this President, hawking memecoin scams and $60 made-in-China "American" Bibles as a side hustle.
- EnergyAmy 2y ago
  Musk is looting the government for personal gain as part of a coup. What is happening right now is bad, full stop. You can advocate for more transparency and tamping down on corruption, but this is not how you do that.
- cbradford 2y ago
  Absolutely correct. The only reason to resists transparency and accountability is if you have something to hide. The american public is smart enough to know that you don't make a $200,000 per year salary and amass a wealth of multi millions. It was a fun ride for the inside while it lasted, its time to move on now.
fch42 2y ago
It sure can be smashed up like a piggybank.

Well till now it's been a piggy bank for a million political operatives, hacks and grifters so even if true it still might save the taxpayer money...

EnergyAmy 2y ago
That take is so naive it hurts. Musk will siphon more money to himself than anybody before, because he's destroying any checks on his ability to loot the government.
- lazyeye 2y ago
  Not remotely naive. Fairly obviously a large proportion of USAid, in particular, is nothing more than a Democrat slush fund that funnels taxpayer money into Democrat "charities" and the like. I don't think I'm the naive person in this conversation.
  - piva00 2y ago
    Any sources for the large portion going to Democrat charities? Would appreciate something with a table or graph if it exists.
    - lazyeye 2y ago
      Seriously...the information is overwhelming if you're paying attention. Do your own research.
      - vannevar 2y ago
        "Do your own research," the losing argument's last resort.
        lazyeye 2y ago
        Nope, seriously...do your own research.
      - piva00 2y ago
        No, I won't do my own research, you've stated something, you know how to find the information to support it much easier than I could. Provide your sources or don't bring it up if you are unable to support your statement. Otherwise you're just spewing bullshit, why should I even care on doing research if I start to suspect you're a bullshitter?
        lazyeye 2y ago
        We all know how this goes...you'll only accept partisan, left-wing "news" orgs claiming they are "objective", whilst these same orgs consistently ignore anything that might be embarass the Dems. And so if your biased left-wing orgs didnt report it, then it didn't happen right? Here's 2 billion dollars for a "climate charity" run by a left-wing political hack (Stacey Abrams) with no background in climate (seriously do a keyword search for "climate" on her wikipedia bio), and for which the same charity a year previous had a grand total of $100 dollars in turnover. A clearly very credible organisation. https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/icymi-administrator-lee-zeldin-finds-gold-bars-epa-stacey-abrams-connected-group-biden https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/icymi-administrator-lee-zel...
        piva00 2y ago
        Nope, I'll accept aggregated data showing how the money is shared between charities and how these charities lean between partisan lines. You're the one making the claim, if so you had to have access to this data to make such claims and I would like to see it. If you have access to this data then it's much easier that you share it so we both have a common ground to develop from instead of forcing me to go look for it without even knowing where you are getting it from. You are burdening me for no reason, it's either you don't have such data and are making claims based on something else or just attempting to make me waste time. Share the data and sources so we have a common ground, otherwise your argument can be considered bullshit. I won't be wasting time to debunk bullshit, as the corollary goes it will take me at least 10x the effort to debunk it than you spewing it.

Molitor5901 2y ago

I have always believed in the adage that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Agencies like USAID have been piggy banks for politicians pork projects and causes forever. I've been in public policy in Washington, DC> for 22 years. We know there is rampant fraud in the government, we know there is highly questionable spending, but we don't talk about it because nobody wants to upset a member of congress. Members of congress don't talk about it generally because of my aforementioned adage. Everyone benefits. It really takes the President and the administration to bring this stuff to light, you simply cannot depend on congers or the bureaucracy. Nobody wants to lose their jobs or get hammered down for making a stink.

vannevar 2y ago
>We know there is rampant fraud in the government, we know there is highly questionable spending, but we don't talk about it because nobody wants to upset a member of congress. People talk about it all the time. And one man's 'fraud' is another man's policy initiative. It's easy to throw the F-word around to label any policy you don't like. And it's especially easy to handwave that there's "fraud everywhere" and use that as an excuse to loot the government yourself. You think there's "rampant fraud"? Put up or shut up, no one trusts your anonymous opinion. If there's actual fraud, Musk should be able to show evidence of it and bring charges against the perpetrators. The President doesn't get to just point at someone and yell "fraud" and make it so. Particularly this President, hawking memecoin scams and $60 made-in-China "American" Bibles as a side hustle.
EnergyAmy 2y ago
Musk is looting the government for personal gain as part of a coup. What is happening right now is bad, full stop. You can advocate for more transparency and tamping down on corruption, but this is not how you do that.
cbradford 2y ago
Absolutely correct. The only reason to resists transparency and accountability is if you have something to hide. The american public is smart enough to know that you don't make a $200,000 per year salary and amass a wealth of multi millions. It was a fun ride for the inside while it lasted, its time to move on now.

fch42 2y ago

It sure can be smashed up like a piggybank.