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This seems circular, since your opinion, views, thoughts, etc., are what the opposing factions are rejecting ( or de-legitimizing) in the first place.

andrewflnr 2y ago
People disagree with my opinion, therefore it's circular? Interesting logic.
- MichaelZuo 2y ago
  Did you read the remainder of the comment? It seems pretty clear to me at least why it would lead to circular arguments.
  - andrewflnr 2y ago
    At this point, I've presented a handful of fairly straightforward hypotheses about cause and effect. They could be wrong, but it's on you to show that they're actually self-referential. There is no amount or kind of other people's opinions that will make them so.
    - MichaelZuo 2y ago
      Your opinions do not automatically turn into credible “hypotheses”…? There is no such mechanism. If there was then the vast majority of political debates on HN wouldn’t even exist.
      - andrewflnr 2y ago
        Who said a hypothesis is automatically credible? Not me.
        MichaelZuo 2y ago
        If they’re not credible… then why would any one care…? Readers are just going to assume it’s random noise, or at least indistinguishable from noise, from a rando on the internet.
        andrewflnr 2y ago
        That's equally true of all internet comments. None of us here on HN have or are claiming automatic credibility. We just make arguments that make sense to us. Feel free to close the tab if you don't find any value in this activity.
        MichaelZuo 2y ago
        So then what makes your opinions “hypotheses”? Sufficient chimpanzees with keyboards, or an LLM, can also type out every comment you’ve ever written, including the last few.
        andrewflnr 2y ago
        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothesis https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothesis
        MichaelZuo 2y ago
        I clearly don’t think your opinions match the definition found in merriam webster… or else I wouldn’t have asked.
        swiftcoder 2y ago
        You don't think his comment is "an assumption put forward for the purposes of discussion"? That seems a fairly low and generic bar for a comment to reach...
        2y ago

andrewflnr 2y ago

People disagree with my opinion, therefore it's circular? Interesting logic.

MichaelZuo 2y ago
Did you read the remainder of the comment? It seems pretty clear to me at least why it would lead to circular arguments.
- andrewflnr 2y ago
  At this point, I've presented a handful of fairly straightforward hypotheses about cause and effect. They could be wrong, but it's on you to show that they're actually self-referential. There is no amount or kind of other people's opinions that will make them so.
  - MichaelZuo 2y ago
    Your opinions do not automatically turn into credible “hypotheses”…? There is no such mechanism. If there was then the vast majority of political debates on HN wouldn’t even exist.
    - andrewflnr 2y ago
      Who said a hypothesis is automatically credible? Not me.
      - MichaelZuo 2y ago
        If they’re not credible… then why would any one care…? Readers are just going to assume it’s random noise, or at least indistinguishable from noise, from a rando on the internet.
        andrewflnr 2y ago
        That's equally true of all internet comments. None of us here on HN have or are claiming automatic credibility. We just make arguments that make sense to us. Feel free to close the tab if you don't find any value in this activity.
        MichaelZuo 2y ago
        So then what makes your opinions “hypotheses”? Sufficient chimpanzees with keyboards, or an LLM, can also type out every comment you’ve ever written, including the last few.
        andrewflnr 2y ago
        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothesis https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothesis
        MichaelZuo 2y ago
        I clearly don’t think your opinions match the definition found in merriam webster… or else I wouldn’t have asked.
        swiftcoder 2y ago
        You don't think his comment is "an assumption put forward for the purposes of discussion"? That seems a fairly low and generic bar for a comment to reach...
        2y ago