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Could this have been a reason UK pushed to separation from the EU? EU is all for privacy while UK is slowly drifting towards becoming a Stasi state.

nickslaughter02 2y ago
No, EU is NOT "all for privacy". I don't know where this myth comes from but I see it repeated here often. 1. EU is pushing for mandatory on-device scanning of all your messages (chat control). The current proposal includes scanning of all videos and images all the time for all citizens. The proposal started with analyzing all text too. The discussions are happening behind close doors. EU Ombudsman has accused EU commission of "maladministration", no response. 2. EU is allowing US companies to scan your emails and messages (ePrivacy Derogation). Extended for 2025. 3. EU is pushing for expansion of data retention and to undermine encryption security (EU GoingDark). "The plan includes the reintroduction and expansion of the retention of citizens’ communications data as well as specific proposals to undermine the secure encryption of data on all connected devices, ranging from cars to smartphones, as well as data processed by service providers and data in transit." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eugoingdark-surveillance-plan-timeline-agenda-background/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eugoingdark-surveillance-pl... 4. EU is pushing for mandatory age verification to use email, messengers and web applications. Citizens will be required to use EU approved verification providers. All accounts will be linked back to your real identity. 5. "Anonymity is not a fundamental right": experts disagree with Europol chief's request for encryption back door (January 22, 2025) https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/anonymity-is-not-a-fundamental-right-experts-disagree-with-europol-chiefs-request-for-encryption-back-door https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/anonymity... ----- Do you still believe EU is all for privacy? EU's privacy is deteriorating faster than in any other developed country / bloc. Some of these proposals have been blocked by Germany for now but that is expected to change after the upcoming elections.
- dumbledoren 2y ago
  < EU is pushing for mandatory on-device scanning of all your messages (chat control) Again and again, 'Eu' is not pushing anything like that. A few Euparl MPs backed by those like Ashton Kutcher did. > Eu isnt 'planning' anything like that. Some Euparl MPs backed by people like Ashton Kutcher tried to push a law to spy on all chat apps. Then when the dirty web of American-style regulatory manipulation was exposed, they backed off. It was a proposal for a law by some MPs. Not something 'Eu' did.
  - nickslaughter02 2y ago
    How can you say EU isn't planning anything like that when the last meeting to introduce just that was a few weeks ago? https://www.parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVIII/EU/9693/imfname_11447708.pdf https://www.parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVIII/EU/9693/imfname_... Nobody backed off, it's still on the agenda. You are right however that the main lobby comes from US NGOs as exposed by documents coming from EU Commission.
    - dumbledoren 2y ago
      > How can you say EU isn't planning anything like that when the last meeting to introduce just that was a few weeks ago? I can say that because that PROPOSAL at the European PARLIAMENT was brought by a number of MPs. Its not an official Eu thing, it is not pushed by any official Eu organ. Any MP can bring ANY proposal to Euparl. It does not mean that Eu is 'pushing something'. > Nobody backed off, it's still on the agenda Its not on 'the agenda'. The MPs who pushed it backed off after their links to the American 'NGOs' were exposed. They said that they would bring it up again at a later time. That doesn't mean that its on 'the agenda'. Any MP in the Euparl can bring any proposal at any time. That does not mean that Euparl is doing it and there is notable support behind it.
      - nickslaughter02 2y ago
        You're talking about MPs but the proposal is being actively worked on by the EU Commission, the executive branch of EU.
rdm_blackhole 2y ago
This is blatantly false. The EU has been pushing to pass the Chat Control law for the last 3 years which is even worse because at least in the UK the government would still need to get a warrant for the data they want whereas the EU wants to analyze your chat messages, emails and pictures in real time without cause or need to justify themselves.
- izacus 2y ago
  The Chat Control law was voted down and it would not apply for UK if they'd still be in EU.
  - nickslaughter02 2y ago
    It has been voted down twice now. Guess what? That doesn't mean it's dead. It's being worked on as we speak. The last meeting was just a few weeks ago. https://www.parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVIII/EU/9693/imfname_11447708.pdf https://www.parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVIII/EU/9693/imfname_...
  - rdm_blackhole 2y ago
    See my comment above, it doesn't matter that it was voted down. The point is that it was allowed to go to a vote in the first place. How do you square being pro privacy but at the same time demanding to have unlimited access to all chat messages, emails, pictures and so on of all your citizens without the need for a warrant, without justification and without the citizens having any say on the matter? The answer is that you can't. You either are for privacy or you are not. As for not applying to the UK, that is a moot point because as soon as the EU gets it's wish then the UK will demand the same kind of access. Why would the UK government turn down such an opportunity?
- dumbledoren 2y ago
  > Again and again, 'Eu' is not pushing anything like that. A few Euparl MPs backed by those like Ashton Kutcher did.
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nickslaughter02 2y ago

No, EU is NOT "all for privacy". I don't know where this myth comes from but I see it repeated here often. 1. EU is pushing for mandatory on-device scanning of all your messages (chat control). The current proposal includes scanning of all videos and images all the time for all citizens. The proposal started with analyzing all text too. The discussions are happening behind close doors. EU Ombudsman has accused EU commission of "maladministration", no response. 2. EU is allowing US companies to scan your emails and messages (ePrivacy Derogation). Extended for 2025. 3. EU is pushing for expansion of data retention and to undermine encryption security (EU GoingDark). "The plan includes the reintroduction and expansion of the retention of citizens’ communications data as well as specific proposals to undermine the secure encryption of data on all connected devices, ranging from cars to smartphones, as well as data processed by service providers and data in transit." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eugoingdark-surveillance-plan-timeline-agenda-background/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eugoingdark-surveillance-pl... 4. EU is pushing for mandatory age verification to use email, messengers and web applications. Citizens will be required to use EU approved verification providers. All accounts will be linked back to your real identity. 5. "Anonymity is not a fundamental right": experts disagree with Europol chief's request for encryption back door (January 22, 2025) https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/anonymity-is-not-a-fundamental-right-experts-disagree-with-europol-chiefs-request-for-encryption-back-door https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/anonymity... ----- Do you still believe EU is all for privacy? EU's privacy is deteriorating faster than in any other developed country / bloc. Some of these proposals have been blocked by Germany for now but that is expected to change after the upcoming elections.

dumbledoren 2y ago
< EU is pushing for mandatory on-device scanning of all your messages (chat control) Again and again, 'Eu' is not pushing anything like that. A few Euparl MPs backed by those like Ashton Kutcher did. > Eu isnt 'planning' anything like that. Some Euparl MPs backed by people like Ashton Kutcher tried to push a law to spy on all chat apps. Then when the dirty web of American-style regulatory manipulation was exposed, they backed off. It was a proposal for a law by some MPs. Not something 'Eu' did.
- nickslaughter02 2y ago
  How can you say EU isn't planning anything like that when the last meeting to introduce just that was a few weeks ago? https://www.parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVIII/EU/9693/imfname_11447708.pdf https://www.parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVIII/EU/9693/imfname_... Nobody backed off, it's still on the agenda. You are right however that the main lobby comes from US NGOs as exposed by documents coming from EU Commission.
  - dumbledoren 2y ago
    > How can you say EU isn't planning anything like that when the last meeting to introduce just that was a few weeks ago? I can say that because that PROPOSAL at the European PARLIAMENT was brought by a number of MPs. Its not an official Eu thing, it is not pushed by any official Eu organ. Any MP can bring ANY proposal to Euparl. It does not mean that Eu is 'pushing something'. > Nobody backed off, it's still on the agenda Its not on 'the agenda'. The MPs who pushed it backed off after their links to the American 'NGOs' were exposed. They said that they would bring it up again at a later time. That doesn't mean that its on 'the agenda'. Any MP in the Euparl can bring any proposal at any time. That does not mean that Euparl is doing it and there is notable support behind it.
    - nickslaughter02 2y ago
      You're talking about MPs but the proposal is being actively worked on by the EU Commission, the executive branch of EU.

rdm_blackhole 2y ago

This is blatantly false. The EU has been pushing to pass the Chat Control law for the last 3 years which is even worse because at least in the UK the government would still need to get a warrant for the data they want whereas the EU wants to analyze your chat messages, emails and pictures in real time without cause or need to justify themselves.

izacus 2y ago
The Chat Control law was voted down and it would not apply for UK if they'd still be in EU.
- nickslaughter02 2y ago
  It has been voted down twice now. Guess what? That doesn't mean it's dead. It's being worked on as we speak. The last meeting was just a few weeks ago. https://www.parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVIII/EU/9693/imfname_11447708.pdf https://www.parlament.gv.at/dokument/XXVIII/EU/9693/imfname_...
- rdm_blackhole 2y ago
  See my comment above, it doesn't matter that it was voted down. The point is that it was allowed to go to a vote in the first place. How do you square being pro privacy but at the same time demanding to have unlimited access to all chat messages, emails, pictures and so on of all your citizens without the need for a warrant, without justification and without the citizens having any say on the matter? The answer is that you can't. You either are for privacy or you are not. As for not applying to the UK, that is a moot point because as soon as the EU gets it's wish then the UK will demand the same kind of access. Why would the UK government turn down such an opportunity?
dumbledoren 2y ago
> Again and again, 'Eu' is not pushing anything like that. A few Euparl MPs backed by those like Ashton Kutcher did.
- 2y ago