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This is what the DOGE guys don’t understand: even if it seems you can easily replace something, you will find out that the devil is in the detail.
by richx 2y ago
This is what the DOGE guys don’t understand: even if it seems you can easily replace something, you will find out that the devil is in the detail.
- yapyap 2y agoThey don’t care. They don’t care about ‘saving money’, they’re just messing about to see if they can. To move the goalpost of what is acceptable. To goosestep the United States back into a Russia-aligned nation that lets rich people pluck the poors bald like chickens.
- BlackjackCF 2y agoThe cruelty is the point.
- dartos 2y ago> To move the goalpost of what is acceptable Not just that. They’re gish galloping the courts and the news. So many things, some dumb, some dangerous, some contradictory. The goal is to make it impossible to o keep track of what’s going on.
- knightfall21 2y ago[flagged]
- exe34 2y agoyou don't have to ask people for their intentions, you just have to watch what they do. look at how many government organisations that were investigating the Musk empire got Dodged: https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/2025.02.13_fact_sheet_re_musk_investigations.pdf https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/2025.02....
- knightfall21 2y ago[flagged]
- exe34 2y agoThey awarded him billions of dollars worth of corporate handouts - I don't think he was the enemy of the Biden administration.
- tomrod 2y agoOn reading the article before the comments, I literally was remembering Musk's initial descriptions of The Boring Company and how they were wildly forgetting or glossing over key details that would mean the difference between exciting leap forward to terrifying death trap. I find your comment to be the same idea, but on something folks have foisted upon them and are forced to experience.
- dartos 2y agoIgnoring details has been very lucrative for Musk. Remember when he said self driving is coming next year… every year… since 2017
- majkinetor 2y agoIndeed, Musk is the first and only man to ever do that.
- dartos 2y agoFar from it! But he is by far the most successful one. At the very least the loudest successful one.
- lolinder 2y agoCan we please not DOGEify every comment thread? I know that it's on a lot of minds all the time, but we have a whole spot on the front page effectively reserved for DOGE 24/7, and I'd like to see literally anything else in the other 29 slots.
- bloomingkales 2y ago[flagged]
- bigstrat2003 2y agoAgreed. People are unhealthily obsessed with DOGE here. And on top of that, basically every DOGE thread turns into a flame war. It's extremely deleterious for the site to have everything collapse into DOGE talk.
- theshackleford 2y agoIf my countries institutions were being dismantled by chuds via dubious and unprecedented means I’d be pretty obsessed.
- cma 2y agoThiel was part of ycombinator for a time, current head of yc worked for Palantir and has been working on DOGE-related Curtis Yarvin type stuff, so it is likely to come up here a lot.
- tomrod 2y agoIt's timely, current, and surprisingly related. I see no issue here. See my sister comment as to why.
- cbracketdash 2y agoI agree its quite annoying. But it only comes up because of the massive change it will cause across the whole country and it's important to remain prepared for implications.
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- amrodst 2y agoRemoving something critical and seeing what happens is a methodology used by Musk in all his companies: remove LIDAR from self driving car, remove flame trench from spaceship launch pad, etc. Results may vary.
- andrewflnr 2y ago"Results may vary" is not an acceptable methodology for the US Government, when millions of lives are potentially at stake. Ed: among the ways millions of lives could be lost: losing control of our nuclear arsenal or nuclear materials due to haphazardly firing people responsible for maintaining them. Bungling the response to the next pandemic, due to haphazardly firing people, cutting science funding and deleting inconvenient data. Starvation and disease from ceasing aid around the world. There's also the wars likely to result from the collapse of trust in the US as a security partner, but I suppose it's not correct to blame that on DOGE per se, even if it's an extension of the same principle.
- elcritch 2y ago> Bungling the response to the next pandemic, due to haphazardly firing people, cutting science funding and deleting inconvenient data. That’s possible, however, it’s possible it’ll give a chance to remove autocrats who have suppressed the scientific method in favor of their prevailing opinions or preferences. There will be a painful period but it could rejuvenate the systems.
- andrewflnr 2y agoBut consider, what if we rejuvenated our health infrastructure in a way that isn't blazingly incompetent? Suppose you learned enough about the systems currently being smashed to specifically fire the "autocrats" and leave the competent people? Are you seeing where the importance of detail comes in?
- knightfall21 2y ago[flagged]
- shawndumas 2y agosecond system syndrome
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- angst_ridden 2y agoNever ask ol' Chesterfield about his fence.
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- rzzzt 2y agoAhem, "blow some my way"! For fence-related matters Chesterton is the person to ask.
- timewizard 2y agoThis is what the critics fail to understand: this all should be documented because it's public work. There should be no "secret sauce" in the bureaucracy nor should the process be so abstract and complex that the hidden details are the most pertinent ones. Government should not involve arcane wizardry nor should imputed mastery of it be held as an excuse to prevent it's modification to meet the will of the voters.
- genewitch 2y agoIt also should not be so complicated that it's impossible to audit.
- zmgsabst 2y agoReality being more complicated than a model is precisely their point: The vision of a technocratic bureaucracy isn’t workable given the complexity of life — so we need to distribute decisions to be made in context. We’re paying huge sums for a technocratic system that can’t account for the actual needs and which leads to suboptimal outcomes. Dismantling the regulatory state and attendant bureaucracy creates room for better, localized, contextual systems to flourish.
- kelnos 2y ago> Dismantling the regulatory state and attendant bureaucracy creates room for better, localized, contextual systems to flourish. And I guess it doesn't matter how many people will be hurt during the churn... But regardless, DOGE's goal isn't to make government better, it's to make government broken and cheap, so it will be easier to funnel money to Musk's (and other Trump cronies') companies instead.