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How? In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government.
by miroljub 2y ago
How?
In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government.
- emorning3 2y agoGuns are an inefficient/stupid way to kill people anyway. Just ask Russia and Ukraine. Look around, human beings are quite clever.
- krapp 2y agoWeird. In the US there is a right to bear arms, yet people are also pretty helpless against their oppressing government.
- cupcakecommons 2y agoWho do you know that's been arrested for posting on social media? I don't know of anyone.
- krapp 2y agoTrue. American police will shoot people dead in the streets with impunity, the military industrial complex engages in constant wars regardless of popular sentiment and the American government is currently being carved up by neo-nazis and oligarchs but you can legally be racist on the internet. I guess it truly is the land of the free. Also... wait six months.
- cupcakecommons 2y ago[flagged]
- saintfire 2y agoI'm sure shooting at the government would have solved this privacy issue.
- marknutter 2y agoIt solved the taxation issue
- krapp 2y agoAs far as I know Americans are still required to pay taxes, so no.
- brink 2y agoWe're working on it.
- spacedcowboy 2y agoAs a green-card holder, it really didn't.
- Tostino 2y agoSurprisingly, the people in the government don't much like being shot. See the reaction to the UHC CEO for an example.
- FergusArgyll 2y agoThis is a decent point. They're now getting investigated by the DOJ and their stock tanked
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- basisword 2y ago>> In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government. There's a right to bear arms in the US and it doesn't seem to be helping them with their oppressive government.
- protonbob 2y agoLook into the Black Panthers. It actually does work quite effectively.
- krapp 2y agoHow? the Black Panthers were infiltrated and undermined by COINTELPRO and effectively destroyed from within, meanwhile the white supremacist capitalist system they fought against persists. Their biggest success as far as I know is starting free school lunches in the US, but that wasn't at gunpoint.
- ch4s3 2y agoAhh yes the murders of Alex Rackley and Betty Van Patter, truly brave and revolutionary acts!
- jahewson 2y agoThe fact that I can’t tell if this is a joke speaks volumes.
- bloqs 2y agoYou people cannot seriously be this poorly educated
- throw16180339 2y agoThe Mulford Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act), a California gun control act that prohibits open carry, was originally passed back in the 60s to disarm the Black Panthers.
- cupcakecommons 2y agoI feel like it's working pretty great
- ornornor 2y agoBecause that’s working so well for the US
- cupcakecommons 2y agoit's working really well, we don't get arrested for social media posts as far as I can tell
- philipwhiuk 2y agohttps://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/social-media-influencer-douglass-mackey-sentenced-after-conviction-election https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/social-media-influencer... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86l4p583y6o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86l4p583y6o https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/19/holdindigenous-man-faces-10-years-for-facebook-comments-during-b https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/19/holdindigenous-man-... Yes you do
- jahewson 2y agoThat’s not the same thing. You know what he means.
- ornornor 2y agoIf that’s the bar then I guess yes it’s a resounding success for freedom.
- cupcakecommons 2y agoThe UK seems to be actively covering up the mass rape of little girls and throwing dissidents in prison. They've sustained mass immigration for decades against their own peoples' will. The US just shook off, at least in part, the same mass immigration and the same clamping down of free speech in the US. It's not the only bar, but I would definitely consider it a resounding success. I can't help but think the 1st and 2nd amendment play a part because the 1st is obviously implicated and the 2nd is required to maintain the 1st.
- Molitor5901 2y agoTechnically I guess you're right, but one hopes that the foundations of British democracy provide its citizens with the tools to fight against an oppressive government. The only rub is getting them to stand up and do that.
- jahewson 2y agoLike what? Britain is a constitutional monarchy. Its foundations anticipated an oppressive king, not an oppressive parliament. Britain never had a revolution, it never had free speech to begin with. It seems to me that what made Britain successful in the past is maladaptive to its current situation.
- quickthrowman 2y agoSmall arms are no match for drones and a fully armed military, a successful rebellion by any populace against a first world military is impossible unless the military lays their arms down voluntarily, full stop.
- protonbob 2y agoRebels are able to use techniques that a government never could or would. I think you underestimate the usefulness of small arms in guerilla warfare.
- gus_massa 2y agoYou underestimate the nasty things goverments have done.
- quickthrowman 2y agoI think you underestimate the lethality of remotely piloted drones with missiles and IR cameras and the futility of fighting against them.
- filoleg 2y agoEvery time this argument comes up, I just feel like rolling eyes, it is so overplayed. Yes, in a direct confrontation and an all out war, the populace stands no chance against the US military (assuming the military will unwaveringly side against the populace), no argument there. But an all out war is not an option, the government wouldn’t be trying to pulverize an entire nation and leave a rubble in place. If you completely destroy your populace and your cities in an all-out direct war, you got no country and people left to govern. It is all about subjugation and populace control. You can’t achieve this with air strikes that level whole towns. Similarly, if the US wanted to “win” in Afganistan by just glassing the whole region and capturing it, that would be rather quick and easy (from a technical perspective, not from the perspective of political consequences that would follow). Turns out, populace control and compliance are way more tricky to achieve than just capturing land. And while having overwhelming firepower and technological advantage helps with that, it isn’t enough.
- fdb345 2y agoI just dont interact with the government or British society at all. I have turned my back on it. If they ever come to my door I'll either go postal or leave the country. Its so bad here now.
- pinoy420 2y agoCool LARP bro
- mr_toad 2y ago> In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government. When people want to revolt it doesn’t seem like the right to bear arms has much to do with it. Not having the right to bear arms certainly hasn’t stopped countless rebellions and revolutions across the world. It’s not like the French of the Russians had a right to bear arms before their successful revolutions. Even in the UK, the lack of a right to bear arms didn’t stop Cromwell using firearms to defeat Charles II at the Battle of Worcester.
- blitzar 2y agoWe could try the American way, bear our arms and shoot up a school, but I don't see how that will help.