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Why do pro-privacy tech folks on here act like Apple is some charity? Apple is a business. It won't fight a citizen's fight on your behalf. It is on citizens to

Why do pro-privacy tech folks on here act like Apple is some charity? Apple is a business. It won't fight a citizen's fight on your behalf. It is on citizens to use their democratic power to ensure their representatives act as the voting base wants. Apple's goal is to make money. The government is a representation of your will.

hu3 2y ago
> Why do pro-privacy tech folks on here act like Apple is some charity... Because Apple marketing keeps relentlessly bashing their customers skull that privacy is their advantage?
haswell 2y ago
> Apple is a business. It won't fight a citizen's fight on your behalf. Being a business does not remove ethical considerations. And I’m an environment where corporations are considered people, it seems reasonable to expect some degree of alignment with normal citizens. > Apple's goal is to make money. The government is a representation of your will. The government is increasingly not a representation of the collective will, and is instead captured by those corporations. I can’t help but feel the “but they exist to make money” line too often ignores the many ways this is not a sufficiently complex explanation of the situation.
- netdevphoenix 2y ago
  Corporations are people in the legal sense not in any other philosophical way. Just like non-humans proposed for personhood, they are not entities expected to behave ethically. Like a dog, you set rules and apply punishments when they breach it. You don't argue ethics with a dog because they are not relevant to them
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > where corporations are considered people, People always get this wrong. Corporations are not people. They just have certain rights like owning property. Corporate personhood != full personhood.
- lowbloodsugar 2y ago
  lol. It literally does. This is a great example. You believe this is an ethical issue. Other shareholders (you are a shareholder, right?) could disagree and now there is a lawsuit. “Complying with national law” seems like an easy win for them.
v3xro 2y ago
Because while a business goal is to make money, it is not necessarily, unlike what you have 80% of the people here believe, to make the most money possible. Ethics can exist in businesses too.
- aqueueaqueue 2y ago
  This, plus privacy is in Apple's brand. Without this and other Apple-esque things (lack of bloatware etc.) you may as well get a Samsung for 2/3 price.

hu3 2y ago

> Why do pro-privacy tech folks on here act like Apple is some charity... Because Apple marketing keeps relentlessly bashing their customers skull that privacy is their advantage?

haswell 2y ago

> Apple is a business. It won't fight a citizen's fight on your behalf. Being a business does not remove ethical considerations. And I’m an environment where corporations are considered people, it seems reasonable to expect some degree of alignment with normal citizens. > Apple's goal is to make money. The government is a representation of your will. The government is increasingly not a representation of the collective will, and is instead captured by those corporations. I can’t help but feel the “but they exist to make money” line too often ignores the many ways this is not a sufficiently complex explanation of the situation.

netdevphoenix 2y ago
Corporations are people in the legal sense not in any other philosophical way. Just like non-humans proposed for personhood, they are not entities expected to behave ethically. Like a dog, you set rules and apply punishments when they breach it. You don't argue ethics with a dog because they are not relevant to them
kennysoona 2y ago
> where corporations are considered people, People always get this wrong. Corporations are not people. They just have certain rights like owning property. Corporate personhood != full personhood.
lowbloodsugar 2y ago
lol. It literally does. This is a great example. You believe this is an ethical issue. Other shareholders (you are a shareholder, right?) could disagree and now there is a lawsuit. “Complying with national law” seems like an easy win for them.

v3xro 2y ago

Because while a business goal is to make money, it is not necessarily, unlike what you have 80% of the people here believe, to make the most money possible. Ethics can exist in businesses too.

aqueueaqueue 2y ago
This, plus privacy is in Apple's brand. Without this and other Apple-esque things (lack of bloatware etc.) you may as well get a Samsung for 2/3 price.