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Yes, I find the language misleading. Recall to me is synonymous with call-back. Which means I have to bring back, return it. On your PC, when you do a software

Yes, I find the language misleading. Recall to me is synonymous with call-back. Which means I have to bring back, return it. On your PC, when you do a software update, you are not returning your operating system, you are rebooting your PC. Return vs. reboot. Quite a difference.

RandallBrown 2y ago
With many (most?) car companies, a software update is a call-back. My Ford, with a cell connection, receives OTA updates for stuff like the entertainment system, but I've had to bring it in a couple of times for updates to safety systems.
- SteveNuts 2y ago
  >but I've had to bring it in a couple of times for updates to safety systems. Personally I'm completely fine with that, anything with the ECU/lower level safety control-by-wire systems should not be accessible to the OTA system. It's only a matter of time until hackers remotely shut down cars and cause chaos though.
  - reverendsteveii 2y ago
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-hig... It is, in fact, a matter of ten years ago that hackers were able to remotely shut down a moving vehicle
atkailash 2y ago
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Veserv 2y ago
“Recall” is and has always meant that a version of the product has a public critical safety defect, not the remedy. “Initiated safety recalls require a manufacturer's action to announce and remedy the defects. A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards. Most decisions to conduct a recall and remedy a safety defect are made voluntarily by manufacturers prior to any involvement by NHTSA.”[1] Note how it only talks about the presence of a critical problem, not how it is solved. A “recall” is stating that the defective version of the product in the field must be “removed” and replaced/updated with a non-defective version at the manufacturer’s expense. The only reason this is confusing is because Tesla has been actively and intentionally misusing the term and sowing confusion to downplay the number of critical safety defects in their cars. But I agree, at this point Tesla has sufficiently poisoned the term that they and everybody else can convince customers that they do not have critical safety defects because they can fix them remotely. As such, the term should be replaced with “public critical safety defect notice” which is clear, precise, accurate, and can not be misused. [1] https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls

RandallBrown 2y ago

With many (most?) car companies, a software update is a call-back. My Ford, with a cell connection, receives OTA updates for stuff like the entertainment system, but I've had to bring it in a couple of times for updates to safety systems.

SteveNuts 2y ago
>but I've had to bring it in a couple of times for updates to safety systems. Personally I'm completely fine with that, anything with the ECU/lower level safety control-by-wire systems should not be accessible to the OTA system. It's only a matter of time until hackers remotely shut down cars and cause chaos though.
- reverendsteveii 2y ago
  https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-hig... It is, in fact, a matter of ten years ago that hackers were able to remotely shut down a moving vehicle

atkailash 2y ago

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Veserv 2y ago

“Recall” is and has always meant that a version of the product has a public critical safety defect, not the remedy. “Initiated safety recalls require a manufacturer's action to announce and remedy the defects. A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards. Most decisions to conduct a recall and remedy a safety defect are made voluntarily by manufacturers prior to any involvement by NHTSA.”[1] Note how it only talks about the presence of a critical problem, not how it is solved. A “recall” is stating that the defective version of the product in the field must be “removed” and replaced/updated with a non-defective version at the manufacturer’s expense. The only reason this is confusing is because Tesla has been actively and intentionally misusing the term and sowing confusion to downplay the number of critical safety defects in their cars. But I agree, at this point Tesla has sufficiently poisoned the term that they and everybody else can convince customers that they do not have critical safety defects because they can fix them remotely. As such, the term should be replaced with “public critical safety defect notice” which is clear, precise, accurate, and can not be misused. [1] https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls