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If only DNS could be namespaced..., eg quitman.ga.gov Only a marginal improvement though

by switch007 2y ago

dpedu 2y ago
Isn't delegating a zone pretty much the same concept in DNS? Or am I missing sarcasm here?
- switch007 2y ago
  Yeah was sarcasm as it seems to be a really obvious thing to do. We do it in the UK with <councilname>.gov.uk (Not sure if it's actual delegation or just A records though)
  - nativeit 2y ago
    We also do it in the US, although I feel like it was more common 20-years ago than it is now. For example, here in North Carolina, local school systems are typically “https://[county https://[county name]schools.k12.nc.us”
    - xp84 2y ago
      Yeah, our state did that kind of thing 20 years ago, but people get confused with more than x.y, because nobody ever taught anyone the concept that domains are a hierarchy and that periods have a specific role that’s different to slashes, hyphens, etc. So to 90% of people they couldn’t explain how “order.TacoBell.com” is different than “TacoBell.order.com” and as such wouldn’t ever remember what order “k12” “nc” and “us” might go in.
      - 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 2y ago
        Indeed, because the hierarchical nature of addressing conventions is a new thing.
        xp84 2y ago
        Not sure if sarcastic or not. I think most people don’t think of a URL as an address in the way that a building has an address with a strict hierarchy of meaningful parts. I think people think of it more as an atomic long string of characters that the person who made the site labeled it with just by being the first to claim a certain URL.
  - miki123211 2y ago
    You still have the "email can't get to Essex or Sussex" problem though.
- paulddraper 2y ago
  Sarcasm. People get confused (particularly in the US) if they are always used to x.y.
  - ChadNauseam 2y ago
    I like fully qualifying domain names (like x.y. in your example) and it’s funny how many sites break when you do this
    - amingilani 2y ago
      Wait, really? Could you share some examples? Why would they break for a FQDN. Wouldn’t that mean that the root servers aren’t configured correctly for that TLD?
      - ChadNauseam 2y ago
        I'm not sure exactly why things break, but as an example: fully-qualifying youtube.com (to youtube.com.) used to break the code that displayed the ads and you could watch ad-free
jjmarr 2y ago
It is. As an example: https://sos.ga.gov/ https://sos.ga.gov/ In practice, people get confused by that.
- mikepurvis 2y ago
  We have that in Ontario and honestly it's often just kind of a source of confusion, like this is for a specific agency overseeing just the St Lawrence: https://www.parks.on.ca https://www.parks.on.ca Whereas the actual Ontario Parks website is this: https://www.ontarioparks.ca https://www.ontarioparks.ca

If only DNS could be namespaced..., eg quitman.ga.gov Only a marginal improvement though

dpedu 2y ago

Isn't delegating a zone pretty much the same concept in DNS? Or am I missing sarcasm here?

switch007 2y ago
Yeah was sarcasm as it seems to be a really obvious thing to do. We do it in the UK with <councilname>.gov.uk (Not sure if it's actual delegation or just A records though)
- nativeit 2y ago
  We also do it in the US, although I feel like it was more common 20-years ago than it is now. For example, here in North Carolina, local school systems are typically “https://[county https://[county name]schools.k12.nc.us”
  - xp84 2y ago
    Yeah, our state did that kind of thing 20 years ago, but people get confused with more than x.y, because nobody ever taught anyone the concept that domains are a hierarchy and that periods have a specific role that’s different to slashes, hyphens, etc. So to 90% of people they couldn’t explain how “order.TacoBell.com” is different than “TacoBell.order.com” and as such wouldn’t ever remember what order “k12” “nc” and “us” might go in.
    - 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 2y ago
      Indeed, because the hierarchical nature of addressing conventions is a new thing.
      - xp84 2y ago
        Not sure if sarcastic or not. I think most people don’t think of a URL as an address in the way that a building has an address with a strict hierarchy of meaningful parts. I think people think of it more as an atomic long string of characters that the person who made the site labeled it with just by being the first to claim a certain URL.
- miki123211 2y ago
  You still have the "email can't get to Essex or Sussex" problem though.
paulddraper 2y ago
Sarcasm. People get confused (particularly in the US) if they are always used to x.y.
- ChadNauseam 2y ago
  I like fully qualifying domain names (like x.y. in your example) and it’s funny how many sites break when you do this
  - amingilani 2y ago
    Wait, really? Could you share some examples? Why would they break for a FQDN. Wouldn’t that mean that the root servers aren’t configured correctly for that TLD?
    - ChadNauseam 2y ago
      I'm not sure exactly why things break, but as an example: fully-qualifying youtube.com (to youtube.com.) used to break the code that displayed the ads and you could watch ad-free

jjmarr 2y ago

It is. As an example: https://sos.ga.gov/ https://sos.ga.gov/ In practice, people get confused by that.

mikepurvis 2y ago
We have that in Ontario and honestly it's often just kind of a source of confusion, like this is for a specific agency overseeing just the St Lawrence: https://www.parks.on.ca https://www.parks.on.ca Whereas the actual Ontario Parks website is this: https://www.ontarioparks.ca https://www.ontarioparks.ca