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why is Russia still connected to the internet?

tokai 2y ago
They are working on disconnecting themselves. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/russia-is-trying-to-leave-the-internet-and-build-its-own/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/russia-is-trying-...
Etheryte 2y ago
Whenever this concept comes up, I can't help but ask, how would you actually implement cutting them off? They're chums with China, so is the plan to cut them off as well? And then all the countries that border China? What about other countries they share a border with? Etc. The only realistically feasible option is if they choose to do it themselves.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
  Prohibit US ISPs from maintaining routes with anyone who maintains routes with Russia.
  - Etheryte 2y ago
    The result of that would be cutting the US off from the internet, not Russia.
    - tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
      The result would be that there would be two Internets, one with the US, and one with Russia. Each country could then choose which one to join (either-or). So countries would have to choose between keeping access to Microsoft (Azure, Office 365, Windows updates), Amazon (AWS, Amazon itself, Prime Video), Google (Google Cloud, all Google services), Meta (WhatsApp/Facebook/Instagram), Github, Cloudflare, Slack, Steam, Netflix, Mastercard, Visa, ... - or to the services in countries that chose differently. I don't think that is a choice that any even remotely Western-aligned country could even consider a choice. It's likely that there would be some form of backlash (countries disliking this loss of sovereignty and measures to discourage reliance on US-based cloud providers in the long term), but in the short term, this would not be cutting the US off from parts of the Internet that it cares about. And with most countries having chosen (well, "chosen") the US-aligned Internet, India and China would have to choose between begrudgingly playing along, or seriously hurting their economies due to the additional friction of communicating with their export markets. I have no doubt that the US could pull this off. Not necessarily repeatedly and without consequences, of course, but right now, if they wanted to, I don't think the rest of the world would have a choice to not go along with it.
    - watwut 2y ago
      US is cooperating with Russia and supporting it. Why would it cut itself from its newest ally?
  - codr7 2y ago
    Russia? We have always been at war with Eur(asia)/ope.
mrweasel 2y ago
We have far more to gain by attempting to get free, uncensored information to the Russians, compared to what we're currently risking in terms of potential cyber-attacks (Which Russia could easily orchestrate from other countries anyway). The real question is: When are we going to require ever single Russian ship parsing through the Baltic Sea to be escorted by JEF naval vessels.
- MaxPock 2y ago
  "free, uncensored information" This just means Western version of events . Western propaganda is no longer as effective as it was a decade ago.
  - beretguy 2y ago
    It is effective. That's why there are so many trump supporters.
michaelcampbell 2y ago
I can tell you for a non-critical funzies app I have facing the internet, when I country-blocked China and Russia (which I know is neither authoritative nor exactly correct) my fail2ban log entries of brute forcing ssh connect attempts dropped by over 90%.

They are working on disconnecting themselves. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/russia-is-trying-to-leave-the-internet-and-build-its-own/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/russia-is-trying-...

Etheryte 2y ago

Whenever this concept comes up, I can't help but ask, how would you actually implement cutting them off? They're chums with China, so is the plan to cut them off as well? And then all the countries that border China? What about other countries they share a border with? Etc. The only realistically feasible option is if they choose to do it themselves.

tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
Prohibit US ISPs from maintaining routes with anyone who maintains routes with Russia.
- Etheryte 2y ago
  The result of that would be cutting the US off from the internet, not Russia.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
    The result would be that there would be two Internets, one with the US, and one with Russia. Each country could then choose which one to join (either-or). So countries would have to choose between keeping access to Microsoft (Azure, Office 365, Windows updates), Amazon (AWS, Amazon itself, Prime Video), Google (Google Cloud, all Google services), Meta (WhatsApp/Facebook/Instagram), Github, Cloudflare, Slack, Steam, Netflix, Mastercard, Visa, ... - or to the services in countries that chose differently. I don't think that is a choice that any even remotely Western-aligned country could even consider a choice. It's likely that there would be some form of backlash (countries disliking this loss of sovereignty and measures to discourage reliance on US-based cloud providers in the long term), but in the short term, this would not be cutting the US off from parts of the Internet that it cares about. And with most countries having chosen (well, "chosen") the US-aligned Internet, India and China would have to choose between begrudgingly playing along, or seriously hurting their economies due to the additional friction of communicating with their export markets. I have no doubt that the US could pull this off. Not necessarily repeatedly and without consequences, of course, but right now, if they wanted to, I don't think the rest of the world would have a choice to not go along with it.
  - watwut 2y ago
    US is cooperating with Russia and supporting it. Why would it cut itself from its newest ally?
- codr7 2y ago
  Russia? We have always been at war with Eur(asia)/ope.

mrweasel 2y ago

We have far more to gain by attempting to get free, uncensored information to the Russians, compared to what we're currently risking in terms of potential cyber-attacks (Which Russia could easily orchestrate from other countries anyway). The real question is: When are we going to require ever single Russian ship parsing through the Baltic Sea to be escorted by JEF naval vessels.

MaxPock 2y ago
"free, uncensored information" This just means Western version of events . Western propaganda is no longer as effective as it was a decade ago.
- beretguy 2y ago
  It is effective. That's why there are so many trump supporters.

michaelcampbell 2y ago

I can tell you for a non-critical funzies app I have facing the internet, when I country-blocked China and Russia (which I know is neither authoritative nor exactly correct) my fail2ban log entries of brute forcing ssh connect attempts dropped by over 90%.