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The outcome of "calling it out" for 8 years straight is a comeback with popular vote win. So I think it's reasonable to change a strategy that has failed so mis

The outcome of "calling it out" for 8 years straight is a comeback with popular vote win. So I think it's reasonable to change a strategy that has failed so miserably for so long.

sho_hn 2y ago
Indeed. The problem is that the voting base has been carefully groomed for many years to distrust independent journalism, and "calling out" anything is just perceived as partisan and not to be trusted.
ziddoap 2y ago
>So I think it's reasonable to change a strategy that has failed so miserably I'm not sure how a strategy of "ignore it and don't mention it" is going to perform better than "call it out"...
- yujzgzc 2y ago
  A working theory would be that people do not believe that there can be bad consequences until they get burned more, so things will need to get worse for a specific set of people. It's the strategy of falling to the bottom of the pool so you can push on the floor to kick yourself back up. But if you've got other ideas go for it.
Glyptodon 2y ago
That's not how I would describe the overall behavior of the media for the last 8 years. Though obviously a large amount of people don't believe anything except what they want to hear.
sidibe 2y ago
The only strategy that works apparently is to let them screw up the country so badly people believe it.
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  I wonder what will happen then. In Russia it doesn't matter what anyone believes. But maybe the US population is different?
- titzer 2y ago
  America has a long history of not holding its political leaders accountable when they screw up massively. Gaslighting, obstruction, projection are pretty powerful tools.
viraptor 2y ago
I have no idea what you're saying here. For years I've been seeing people posting links to articles with either the headline or some paragraph marked up to spell out what it's trying to say. Articles using passive voice and avoiding the conclusion were common for a very long time now - as much as I appreciate listing facts rather than freaking out about results in articles, often they just fail to call a spade a spade.

The outcome of "calling it out" for 8 years straight is a comeback with popular vote win. So I think it's reasonable to change a strategy that has failed so miserably for so long.

sho_hn 2y ago

Indeed. The problem is that the voting base has been carefully groomed for many years to distrust independent journalism, and "calling out" anything is just perceived as partisan and not to be trusted.

ziddoap 2y ago

>So I think it's reasonable to change a strategy that has failed so miserably I'm not sure how a strategy of "ignore it and don't mention it" is going to perform better than "call it out"...

yujzgzc 2y ago
A working theory would be that people do not believe that there can be bad consequences until they get burned more, so things will need to get worse for a specific set of people. It's the strategy of falling to the bottom of the pool so you can push on the floor to kick yourself back up. But if you've got other ideas go for it.

Glyptodon 2y ago

That's not how I would describe the overall behavior of the media for the last 8 years. Though obviously a large amount of people don't believe anything except what they want to hear.

sidibe 2y ago

The only strategy that works apparently is to let them screw up the country so badly people believe it.

actionfromafar 2y ago
I wonder what will happen then. In Russia it doesn't matter what anyone believes. But maybe the US population is different?
titzer 2y ago
America has a long history of not holding its political leaders accountable when they screw up massively. Gaslighting, obstruction, projection are pretty powerful tools.

viraptor 2y ago

I have no idea what you're saying here. For years I've been seeing people posting links to articles with either the headline or some paragraph marked up to spell out what it's trying to say. Articles using passive voice and avoiding the conclusion were common for a very long time now - as much as I appreciate listing facts rather than freaking out about results in articles, often they just fail to call a spade a spade.