3 ms·

EU was created to stop European countries from trying to dominate each other. And one can say that it worked very well, despite any political grudges. EU did t

by m000 2y ago

EU was created to stop European countries from trying to dominate each other. And one can say that it worked very well, despite any political grudges. EU did try to extend the paradigm to relations with Russia. And it also worked for a while, until USA started meddling with Ukraine to avoid drifting into irrelevance as a superpower. The people in EU no longer feel any need to dominate their neighbours. It is the USA that attempts to force their hand, aided by the current corrupt EU political elite (hello Mark Rutte).

AtlasBarfed 2y ago
You misunderstand me. The EU will dominate its theater neighbors: Russia (once Putin dies and the country turns into total chaos), Africa, Middle East, Arctic (because Canada will closely align with the EU, that provides right there about 50% of arctic control by EU/non-US NATO, and when Putin falls and Siberia is up for grabs, it will be the EU or China that grab it.
- southernplaces7 2y ago
  I don't completely disavow your predictions about the power potential of the EU (It certainly has them in terms of GDP, population and some resource factors) but you're grossly overstating the potential cohesiveness of this currently fragile whole. While the EU as a single body maintains a facade of unity while things are more or less stable and no major sacrifice is required of many of its members, long-held nationalisms and individual member-level self interests are not far below the surface of individual countries. In a major crisis, these could easily break open and shatter the union. The U.S on the other hand is exceptionally cohesive (current superficial political divides notwithstanding). Virtually all Americans identify with the idea of America as a whole single nation and would ferociously defend this ideal if it were seriously threatened. This gives it a unique edge when coupled with its enormous material power, it's superb access to internal natural resources and its obvious geographic invulnerability to military harm from anything except nuclear attack or maybe, a massive EMP strike. Russia has no chance whatsoever of actually successfully invading the EU nations via conventional military means, but it can threaten them in ways that don't apply to the United States and any enemy it has..

by m000 2y ago

AtlasBarfed 2y ago

You misunderstand me. The EU will dominate its theater neighbors: Russia (once Putin dies and the country turns into total chaos), Africa, Middle East, Arctic (because Canada will closely align with the EU, that provides right there about 50% of arctic control by EU/non-US NATO, and when Putin falls and Siberia is up for grabs, it will be the EU or China that grab it.

southernplaces7 2y ago
I don't completely disavow your predictions about the power potential of the EU (It certainly has them in terms of GDP, population and some resource factors) but you're grossly overstating the potential cohesiveness of this currently fragile whole. While the EU as a single body maintains a facade of unity while things are more or less stable and no major sacrifice is required of many of its members, long-held nationalisms and individual member-level self interests are not far below the surface of individual countries. In a major crisis, these could easily break open and shatter the union. The U.S on the other hand is exceptionally cohesive (current superficial political divides notwithstanding). Virtually all Americans identify with the idea of America as a whole single nation and would ferociously defend this ideal if it were seriously threatened. This gives it a unique edge when coupled with its enormous material power, it's superb access to internal natural resources and its obvious geographic invulnerability to military harm from anything except nuclear attack or maybe, a massive EMP strike. Russia has no chance whatsoever of actually successfully invading the EU nations via conventional military means, but it can threaten them in ways that don't apply to the United States and any enemy it has..