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It’s dishonest because they not only point towards a specific language model, but the beta version of a specific model. WTH?

by jug 2y ago

echelon 2y ago
It's not dishonest, it's simple human behavior. The vocabulary used to describe the culturally prevailing leader will be used to explain similar concepts and create analogies. That's an easier tool to communicate to the masses than crafting super tailored messages for only domain experts. It's why we keep doing this, and it's also why trademarks become generics. "Google it", "Uber for X", "band aid", "the band sounds like Y", "the actor looks like Z", etc. etc. This is a core part of how human language works and how we as a species communicate with one another.
- michaelt 2y ago
  "Build your own Lamborghini Huracan at home for $450" "Wow! Quite a feat to deliver an iconic design, a 631 horsepower engine, and performance of 0-150 mph in 15.4 seconds on such a small budget!" "Actually what we mean is, like the Lamborghini Huracan, our vehicle has two seats."
  - vineyardmike 2y ago
    $450 for a Lamborghini clone is a lot more impressive when it compares favorably on (some) benchmarks. Also, at $450 no one expect it to truly be a from-scratch complete recreation of a model that cost hundreds of millions to produce. Instead, they built a model (via fine tuning) using similar technique and got similar results within their attempted are of experimentation that they created their training data for. I personally was not mislead by the title at all.
  - echelon 2y ago
    Nothing OpenAI has produced is a Lamborghini Huracan level above other generic AI models, though. There are open source models better than OpenAI's image and video models, and OpenAI is not winning the LLM space by any measure. The hobbyist absolutely won't feel as though they're trying to fake a Huracan with a Camry here. They're going to build useful products with whatever they choose, regardless of what vendor or open source project produced the model. Your analogy is silly. OpenAI is more like Band-Aid(r) than Lamborghini Huracan.
  - anigbrowl 2y ago
    When I see a thing like that I assume they're abstracting one or two things that are unique to (or at least strongly associated with) the desired object. idk, perhaps 'significantly increase the output power of your little hobby engine with this one weird trick' where said trick turns out to be cylinder firing order and a custom made drive shaft.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  ChatGPT is the market leader, nobody except enthusiasts are distinguishing between their models, any models. And the enthusiasts know the difference Verdict: dishonest
anigbrowl 2y ago
You should always assume headlines are hyperbolic, and 'verb your own noun for cheap' headlines are always offering a way to make your own version of $expensive_thing for hobby prices, not to provide a copy of $expensive_thing. If you a headline saying 'make your own James Webb Space Telescope in a weekend' they're offering a project that leverages some tech concept from the JWST, like mirror arrays or a particular sort of sensor. They're not promising that you will be able to build a space-capable telescope the size of a semi truck.

It’s dishonest because they not only point towards a specific language model, but the beta version of a specific model. WTH?

by jug 2y ago

It’s dishonest because they not only point towards a specific language model, but the beta version of a specific model. WTH?

echelon 2y ago

It's not dishonest, it's simple human behavior. The vocabulary used to describe the culturally prevailing leader will be used to explain similar concepts and create analogies. That's an easier tool to communicate to the masses than crafting super tailored messages for only domain experts. It's why we keep doing this, and it's also why trademarks become generics. "Google it", "Uber for X", "band aid", "the band sounds like Y", "the actor looks like Z", etc. etc. This is a core part of how human language works and how we as a species communicate with one another.

michaelt 2y ago
"Build your own Lamborghini Huracan at home for $450" "Wow! Quite a feat to deliver an iconic design, a 631 horsepower engine, and performance of 0-150 mph in 15.4 seconds on such a small budget!" "Actually what we mean is, like the Lamborghini Huracan, our vehicle has two seats."
- vineyardmike 2y ago
  $450 for a Lamborghini clone is a lot more impressive when it compares favorably on (some) benchmarks. Also, at $450 no one expect it to truly be a from-scratch complete recreation of a model that cost hundreds of millions to produce. Instead, they built a model (via fine tuning) using similar technique and got similar results within their attempted are of experimentation that they created their training data for. I personally was not mislead by the title at all.
- echelon 2y ago
  Nothing OpenAI has produced is a Lamborghini Huracan level above other generic AI models, though. There are open source models better than OpenAI's image and video models, and OpenAI is not winning the LLM space by any measure. The hobbyist absolutely won't feel as though they're trying to fake a Huracan with a Camry here. They're going to build useful products with whatever they choose, regardless of what vendor or open source project produced the model. Your analogy is silly. OpenAI is more like Band-Aid(r) than Lamborghini Huracan.
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  When I see a thing like that I assume they're abstracting one or two things that are unique to (or at least strongly associated with) the desired object. idk, perhaps 'significantly increase the output power of your little hobby engine with this one weird trick' where said trick turns out to be cylinder firing order and a custom made drive shaft.
yieldcrv 2y ago
ChatGPT is the market leader, nobody except enthusiasts are distinguishing between their models, any models. And the enthusiasts know the difference Verdict: dishonest

anigbrowl 2y ago

You should always assume headlines are hyperbolic, and 'verb your own noun for cheap' headlines are always offering a way to make your own version of $expensive_thing for hobby prices, not to provide a copy of $expensive_thing. If you a headline saying 'make your own James Webb Space Telescope in a weekend' they're offering a project that leverages some tech concept from the JWST, like mirror arrays or a particular sort of sensor. They're not promising that you will be able to build a space-capable telescope the size of a semi truck.