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You're not responding to the comment you're trying to reply to. The claim is that it does not actually do that, only starves ordinary people.

elhudy 2y ago
I thought the context of the previous response was that sanctions do nothing to the regime i.e. in terms of strengthening, weakening, or getting rid of. The North korean dictatorship remains in place so that is agreeable. However, North korean military presence (seen as distinct from the regime presence) has seemingly faltered dramatically.
- guerrilla 2y ago
  > North korean military presence (seen as distinct from the regime presence) That distinction is nonsencial in this context.
  - elhudy 2y ago
    No, it isn’t, as described by the divergent strengths of the two.
IncreasePosts 2y ago
Do sanctions force North Korea to adopt ridiculous internal agricultural policies which leads to frequent famines?
- cess11 2y ago
  Life expectancy follows South Korea rather closely, with the exception of a period in the nineties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_expectancy_in_North_Korea_and_South_Korea.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_expectancy_in_North_... Is that to be expected with frequent famines?
  - philistine 2y ago
    That chart does not at all show that it follows South Korea! It is massively behind and has suffered a debilitating famine in the 90s. That on top of the spurious data collecting in North Korea that probably skews those numbers. The people against sanctions want countries around the world to be forced to trade with North Korea. We don't have to be forced to trade with anyone. Free trade is earned, not a right for all the dictators of the world.
    - cess11 2y ago
      Right, so one famine in the nineties. Other than that the curve is very similar to the one for South Korea. Is this expected under regularly occuring famines?
      - philistine 2y ago
        REGULARLY OCCURRING FAMINES!!! What is this the 14th century?
        cess11 2y ago
        Why are you screaming? I would expect a curve looking more like this, but less irregular: https://tum.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_expectancy_in_Somalia.svg https://tum.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_expectancy_in_Som...
    - etc-hosts 2y ago
      The way US sanctions against countries work is when we sanction a country, we also sanction any other country or entity or person who passes money or goods in return for money or goods from the targeted country. It's not simply "We've decided to not buy and sell goods from a certain country." more info here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2024/us-sanction-countries-work/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2024/us-... What really happens with US sanctions is the guys we sanction all decide to band together with each other and to oppose and hate America, and eventually withdraw from using the US Dollar, reducing the US's influence. That may be good or it may be bad but its definitely not what the US has in mind when it sanctions a country.

elhudy 2y ago

I thought the context of the previous response was that sanctions do nothing to the regime i.e. in terms of strengthening, weakening, or getting rid of. The North korean dictatorship remains in place so that is agreeable. However, North korean military presence (seen as distinct from the regime presence) has seemingly faltered dramatically.

guerrilla 2y ago
> North korean military presence (seen as distinct from the regime presence) That distinction is nonsencial in this context.
- elhudy 2y ago
  No, it isn’t, as described by the divergent strengths of the two.

IncreasePosts 2y ago

Do sanctions force North Korea to adopt ridiculous internal agricultural policies which leads to frequent famines?

cess11 2y ago
Life expectancy follows South Korea rather closely, with the exception of a period in the nineties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_expectancy_in_North_Korea_and_South_Korea.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_expectancy_in_North_... Is that to be expected with frequent famines?
- philistine 2y ago
  That chart does not at all show that it follows South Korea! It is massively behind and has suffered a debilitating famine in the 90s. That on top of the spurious data collecting in North Korea that probably skews those numbers. The people against sanctions want countries around the world to be forced to trade with North Korea. We don't have to be forced to trade with anyone. Free trade is earned, not a right for all the dictators of the world.
  - cess11 2y ago
    Right, so one famine in the nineties. Other than that the curve is very similar to the one for South Korea. Is this expected under regularly occuring famines?
    - philistine 2y ago
      REGULARLY OCCURRING FAMINES!!! What is this the 14th century?
      - cess11 2y ago
        Why are you screaming? I would expect a curve looking more like this, but less irregular: https://tum.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_expectancy_in_Somalia.svg https://tum.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_expectancy_in_Som...
  - etc-hosts 2y ago
    The way US sanctions against countries work is when we sanction a country, we also sanction any other country or entity or person who passes money or goods in return for money or goods from the targeted country. It's not simply "We've decided to not buy and sell goods from a certain country." more info here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2024/us-sanction-countries-work/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2024/us-... What really happens with US sanctions is the guys we sanction all decide to band together with each other and to oppose and hate America, and eventually withdraw from using the US Dollar, reducing the US's influence. That may be good or it may be bad but its definitely not what the US has in mind when it sanctions a country.