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Declaring a National Energy Emergency

30 points by yodsanklai 2y ago

gcanyon 2y ago
Paraphrasing The Incredibles: when everything is an emergency, nothing is.
- Zealotux 2y ago
  Invoking an emergency here is primarily a way to bypass any environmental regulation process.
mitthrowaway2 2y ago
Interesting how the definition of "energy" is crafted to include just about everything except solar and wind. Wouldn't want to accidentally make it easier to greenlight a renewable energy project. Might risk saving the environment by mistake.
Rhapso 2y ago
> (a) The term “energy” or “energy resources” means crude oil, natural gas, lease condensates, natural gas liquids, refined petroleum products, uranium, coal, biofuels, geothermal heat, the kinetic movement of flowing water, and critical minerals, as defined by 30 U.S.C. 1606 (a)(3). They hide the fun stuff at the bottom. Solar and wind don't count!
- theshrike79 2y ago
  Kinetic movement of "flowing" water, so even tidal power is out?
  - themaninthedark 2y ago
    Does the ocean not flow? It has currents.
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  They've been falsely portraying their anti-renewbales moves as just a fair-minded desire to use "all of the above" for years but now the attempt to hold back cheaper, cleaner energy of the future is entering a desperate new phase.
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suraci 2y ago
coincidentally, just read this: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Blackouts-Are-Becoming-the-NormCan-the-US-Power-Grid-Be-Saved.html https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Blackouts-Are-Bec... i'm not an expert of energy, need some time to validate this > The harsh reality is that natural gas plants, even relatively modern ones, are proving to have the worst failure rate when faced with extreme weather compared with other generation methods. During the massive Arctic Blast, gas units accounted for 63% of the failures while representing just 44% of the total installed capacity. > But, as is usually the case, the biggest challenge remains funding: a Wood Mackenzie analysis has estimated it would cost a staggering *$4.5 trillion* for the U.S. to fully decarbonize, including constructing and operating new generation facilities
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  The article claims the norm is that electricity prices are skyrocketing in the US. Here's some data that shows that's not the case: https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/14849552/ https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/14849552/
dr_dshiv 2y ago
Solar keeps getting cheaper, and is growing exponentially. Here’s the growth in Texas. https://images.app.goo.gl/e5X6ZCyznCZWbYEV7 https://images.app.goo.gl/e5X6ZCyznCZWbYEV7
viraptor 2y ago
I was curious what's the production emergency. In practice https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/ https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/ US has been producing ~10% more energy than it was using. They had more production for years now. Meanwhile the winter issues came from companies not maintaining their equipment, which was advised years ago to do, with a warning about power outages. So "emergency".
fuzzfactor 2y ago
Somebody other than Trump has been working on this document for a very long time before he was even re-elected. I would estimate it's whoever can expect to gain the most financially from this type action.
- jfengel 2y ago
  It comes out of think tanks like the Heritage Foundation. But yeah, they get funding from Exxon-Mobil and the like, and their executives/lobbyists definitely helped craft the executive order. It gets shipped across the street to the White House, and they put it in place, possibly without even reading it. (Actually, not across the street. Heritage Foundation is about a mile down Pennsylvania Avenue, about a half block from the Capitol. It's right next door to an amazing pizza place called "We the Pizza". Definitely stop in.)
- swah 2y ago
  Are you still off caffeine? Off topic
  - fuzzfactor 2y ago
    I must apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings. I admit I was 100% wrong. It just looked like a document to me, but I was always a paperwork guy and I'm way out-of-date. You're right, it is just a web page from some bogus charlatan on the internet.
joshuanapoli 2y ago
Ah, this emergency is already a month old. Does anyone know if there have been any concrete outcomes yet? Maybe repealing the Jones Act to allow shipment of cheaper domestic LNG to New England would be helpful
nunez 2y ago
Protected Native American Lands, Alaska and wildlife preserves all in danger because "muh national security" and "drill, baby, drill." Excellent. :(
Two4 2y ago
As a warning to US citizens: this is similar to how state energy production and regulation was captured in my country, leading to massive corruption. A crisis was whipped up, and emergency powers were given to key individuals in the energy supply chain. These emergency powers were used to enrich certain companies and politicians, and exacerbate the energy shortage to perpetuate the need for emergency powers. We are still recovering from this, near a decade after the scandal was uncovered. Watch how this declaration of emergency will be used to enrich certain parties in the US, and possibly abroad (despite the emphasis on domestic energy).

30 points by yodsanklai 2y ago

gcanyon 2y ago

Paraphrasing The Incredibles: when everything is an emergency, nothing is.

Zealotux 2y ago
Invoking an emergency here is primarily a way to bypass any environmental regulation process.

mitthrowaway2 2y ago

Interesting how the definition of "energy" is crafted to include just about everything except solar and wind. Wouldn't want to accidentally make it easier to greenlight a renewable energy project. Might risk saving the environment by mistake.

Rhapso 2y ago

> (a) The term “energy” or “energy resources” means crude oil, natural gas, lease condensates, natural gas liquids, refined petroleum products, uranium, coal, biofuels, geothermal heat, the kinetic movement of flowing water, and critical minerals, as defined by 30 U.S.C. 1606 (a)(3). They hide the fun stuff at the bottom. Solar and wind don't count!

theshrike79 2y ago
Kinetic movement of "flowing" water, so even tidal power is out?
- themaninthedark 2y ago
  Does the ocean not flow? It has currents.
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
They've been falsely portraying their anti-renewbales moves as just a fair-minded desire to use "all of the above" for years but now the attempt to hold back cheaper, cleaner energy of the future is entering a desperate new phase.

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suraci 2y ago

coincidentally, just read this: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Blackouts-Are-Becoming-the-NormCan-the-US-Power-Grid-Be-Saved.html https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Blackouts-Are-Bec... i'm not an expert of energy, need some time to validate this > The harsh reality is that natural gas plants, even relatively modern ones, are proving to have the worst failure rate when faced with extreme weather compared with other generation methods. During the massive Arctic Blast, gas units accounted for 63% of the failures while representing just 44% of the total installed capacity. > But, as is usually the case, the biggest challenge remains funding: a Wood Mackenzie analysis has estimated it would cost a staggering *$4.5 trillion* for the U.S. to fully decarbonize, including constructing and operating new generation facilities

ZeroGravitas 2y ago
The article claims the norm is that electricity prices are skyrocketing in the US. Here's some data that shows that's not the case: https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/14849552/ https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/14849552/

dr_dshiv 2y ago

Solar keeps getting cheaper, and is growing exponentially. Here’s the growth in Texas. https://images.app.goo.gl/e5X6ZCyznCZWbYEV7 https://images.app.goo.gl/e5X6ZCyznCZWbYEV7

viraptor 2y ago

I was curious what's the production emergency. In practice https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/ https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/ US has been producing ~10% more energy than it was using. They had more production for years now. Meanwhile the winter issues came from companies not maintaining their equipment, which was advised years ago to do, with a warning about power outages. So "emergency".

fuzzfactor 2y ago

Somebody other than Trump has been working on this document for a very long time before he was even re-elected. I would estimate it's whoever can expect to gain the most financially from this type action.

jfengel 2y ago
It comes out of think tanks like the Heritage Foundation. But yeah, they get funding from Exxon-Mobil and the like, and their executives/lobbyists definitely helped craft the executive order. It gets shipped across the street to the White House, and they put it in place, possibly without even reading it. (Actually, not across the street. Heritage Foundation is about a mile down Pennsylvania Avenue, about a half block from the Capitol. It's right next door to an amazing pizza place called "We the Pizza". Definitely stop in.)
swah 2y ago
Are you still off caffeine? Off topic
- fuzzfactor 2y ago
  I must apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings. I admit I was 100% wrong. It just looked like a document to me, but I was always a paperwork guy and I'm way out-of-date. You're right, it is just a web page from some bogus charlatan on the internet.

joshuanapoli 2y ago

Ah, this emergency is already a month old. Does anyone know if there have been any concrete outcomes yet? Maybe repealing the Jones Act to allow shipment of cheaper domestic LNG to New England would be helpful

nunez 2y ago

Protected Native American Lands, Alaska and wildlife preserves all in danger because "muh national security" and "drill, baby, drill." Excellent. :(

Two4 2y ago

As a warning to US citizens: this is similar to how state energy production and regulation was captured in my country, leading to massive corruption. A crisis was whipped up, and emergency powers were given to key individuals in the energy supply chain. These emergency powers were used to enrich certain companies and politicians, and exacerbate the energy shortage to perpetuate the need for emergency powers. We are still recovering from this, near a decade after the scandal was uncovered. Watch how this declaration of emergency will be used to enrich certain parties in the US, and possibly abroad (despite the emphasis on domestic energy).