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Why not for now just applaud them for their actions rather than focus on some potential 3rd order plan? Who knows what any of then might do in the future? For

Why not for now just applaud them for their actions rather than focus on some potential 3rd order plan? Who knows what any of then might do in the future? For now I'm cheering for Deepseek, Meta and anyone publishing open models as I strongly believe that the potential "danger" of AI in the hands of everyone is far outstripped by the concrete dangers of AI dictated by a select small group of corps/gov symbionts.

brookst 2y ago
I agree with your sentiment, but there’s no harm in being aware that the rhetoric is just PR spin for the strategy the execs think will be the most profitable.
- SXX 2y ago
  At least they are not founded as non-profit with some "greater good" mission or "safety" BS.
  - actionfromafar 2y ago
    Yeah, that would be too blatant. :) Can't fool me twice. Not yet, wait a couple of years.
- SequoiaHope 2y ago
  I wouldn’t go so far as to try to presume the state of mind of the execs. Maybe they really believe what they’re saying. But it’s also true that it benefits them to say it and my argument is simply that we should be mindful of that.
_Algernon_ 2y ago
Because we have seen this play out exactly as described so many times that that kind of naivety is not justifiable.
SequoiaHope 2y ago
The answer lies in the question I responded to. The commenter lauded the positive effects of Deepseek’s actions and lamented the loss of such positivity from OpenAI. But it’s important to understand that this didn’t happen by chance. These things happen because underdogs benefit more from goodwill than secrecy and selfishness, while established players benefit from dominance and control. If we ignore that, we will let PR teams play us every time they claim altruism while serving themselves. It doesn’t mean Deepseek can’t also have good motives, but we must be clear that undercutting OpenAI while simultaneously building community goodwill is a smart move on their part to shift the market in their favor.
- dartos 2y ago
  Is media literacy for tech marketing. I wish it was easier to learn about media literacy

brookst 2y ago

I agree with your sentiment, but there’s no harm in being aware that the rhetoric is just PR spin for the strategy the execs think will be the most profitable.

SXX 2y ago
At least they are not founded as non-profit with some "greater good" mission or "safety" BS.
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  Yeah, that would be too blatant. :) Can't fool me twice. Not yet, wait a couple of years.
SequoiaHope 2y ago
I wouldn’t go so far as to try to presume the state of mind of the execs. Maybe they really believe what they’re saying. But it’s also true that it benefits them to say it and my argument is simply that we should be mindful of that.

_Algernon_ 2y ago

Because we have seen this play out exactly as described so many times that that kind of naivety is not justifiable.

SequoiaHope 2y ago

The answer lies in the question I responded to. The commenter lauded the positive effects of Deepseek’s actions and lamented the loss of such positivity from OpenAI. But it’s important to understand that this didn’t happen by chance. These things happen because underdogs benefit more from goodwill than secrecy and selfishness, while established players benefit from dominance and control. If we ignore that, we will let PR teams play us every time they claim altruism while serving themselves. It doesn’t mean Deepseek can’t also have good motives, but we must be clear that undercutting OpenAI while simultaneously building community goodwill is a smart move on their part to shift the market in their favor.

dartos 2y ago
Is media literacy for tech marketing. I wish it was easier to learn about media literacy