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Interesting… 50% of US dev cost is like what if you don’t mind saying? 100k? I found the biggest issue with these engagements is the trust with remote developer

Interesting… 50% of US dev cost is like what if you don’t mind saying? 100k? I found the biggest issue with these engagements is the trust with remote developers.

esaym 2y ago
I would think $40k-$50k
- lazyasciiart 2y ago
  Remember that employee cost is usually estimated at twice their salary.
  - 0_____0 2y ago
    Does that scale neatly with salary? I would expect it not to, with things like benefits and other costs being relatively fixed regardless of salary
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      I assume people who are paid more also typically receive better benefits
    - acdha 2y ago
      Until you’re over the many hundreds of thousands of dollars per year range, it works pretty well as a rule of thumb. If your company wants the cost of working in an office, they’re probably not paying high salaries to work in a rundown shack and the people making those high incomes also want better quality benefits (especially in the United States where healthcare is so expensive and cheaper plans mean more time having to argue with someone whose bonus is based on denying care).
- astone26 2y ago
  Dev costs are around 40-45 USD per hour for a lower average in Ukraine. Annual salary would be closer to 90K.
  - kmac_ 2y ago
    That's right. 90k is the correct value for a mid-level (real, productive) developer across Europe. 40-50k is possible, but for entry-level positions.
    - Toutouxc 2y ago
      Is this the thing where the 99th percentile people somehow think they're the average? I see that a lot on Reddit for some reason.
      - red-iron-pine 2y ago
        It is a selection bias, plus perception that the people with more (the 0.01%) are a lot more common. "I dream of being rich, and to me rich is..." More specifically: To be in the top 10% of earners in the USA, you need an annual income of at least $148,812 To be in the top 5% of earners in the USA, you need an annual income of at least $352,773 The median salary in the USA is approximately $59,428 per year
    - shafyy 2y ago
      If you look at engineering salaries in Germany, 90-100k is what you pay for a senior engineer or PM, not a mid-level one.
      - vaidhy 2y ago
        Salary is not the same as paying a contractor. So, while salaries for senior engineers is 100k, as a contractor they might be charging 150K per year ($75/hr).
        shafyy 2y ago

Interesting… 50% of US dev cost is like what if you don’t mind saying? 100k? I found the biggest issue with these engagements is the trust with remote developers.

esaym 2y ago

I would think $40k-$50k

lazyasciiart 2y ago
Remember that employee cost is usually estimated at twice their salary.
- 0_____0 2y ago
  Does that scale neatly with salary? I would expect it not to, with things like benefits and other costs being relatively fixed regardless of salary
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    I assume people who are paid more also typically receive better benefits
  - acdha 2y ago
    Until you’re over the many hundreds of thousands of dollars per year range, it works pretty well as a rule of thumb. If your company wants the cost of working in an office, they’re probably not paying high salaries to work in a rundown shack and the people making those high incomes also want better quality benefits (especially in the United States where healthcare is so expensive and cheaper plans mean more time having to argue with someone whose bonus is based on denying care).
astone26 2y ago
Dev costs are around 40-45 USD per hour for a lower average in Ukraine. Annual salary would be closer to 90K.
- kmac_ 2y ago
  That's right. 90k is the correct value for a mid-level (real, productive) developer across Europe. 40-50k is possible, but for entry-level positions.
  - Toutouxc 2y ago
    Is this the thing where the 99th percentile people somehow think they're the average? I see that a lot on Reddit for some reason.
    - red-iron-pine 2y ago
      It is a selection bias, plus perception that the people with more (the 0.01%) are a lot more common. "I dream of being rich, and to me rich is..." More specifically: To be in the top 10% of earners in the USA, you need an annual income of at least $148,812 To be in the top 5% of earners in the USA, you need an annual income of at least $352,773 The median salary in the USA is approximately $59,428 per year
  - shafyy 2y ago
    If you look at engineering salaries in Germany, 90-100k is what you pay for a senior engineer or PM, not a mid-level one.
    - vaidhy 2y ago
      Salary is not the same as paying a contractor. So, while salaries for senior engineers is 100k, as a contractor they might be charging 150K per year ($75/hr).
      - shafyy 2y ago