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Or even Toronto. I was surprised to learn Suits was filmed there, despite depicting NYC. That said, I'm not sure Netflix cares from that regard. They've been

Or even Toronto. I was surprised to learn Suits was filmed there, despite depicting NYC. That said, I'm not sure Netflix cares from that regard. They've been pushing me increasingly foreign content that I don't particularly care for, because it's usually dubbed horribly or not at all. I'm of course not against it existing in their library, but I'd have thought their recommendation engine would realize I'm not at all interested in it by now.

wkat4242 2y ago
I think the different countries pushing Netflix to make local content has really paid off. Some real good stuff has come out. Like DARK from Germany. Casa de Papel from Spain (though they dragged it out too long). Squid Game from Korea. It's become a lot better since it isn't just Hollywood stuff. Here in mainland Europe we're more open to content from all kinds of places. I think part of it is because we're used to not being able to understand every language. There's so many here we can never speak them all. Thus subs or dubbing are common things and don't ruin the immersion for us. In English speaking countries (even in Europe) those are often considered weird, alternative or "arthouse".
- mekoka 2y ago
  > In English speaking countries (even in Europe) those are often considered weird, alternative or "arthouse". It's not that dubbing can generally be considered weird in a particular culture, it's that it's just really shitty in English. I'm fluent in English and French. I'd also hardly had any experience with dubbed content at all when I started sampling Netflix's foreign offering. When I started, I picked English. It was really off-putting. I was ready to rule out dubbing altogether, then on a whim I tried the French (from France) dubbing and the difference is incredible. So, I think some countries just have more experience doing this kind of work. Americans don't seem to have it, aside from animation that is.
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- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  I'm ok with foreign content, but you mentioned 3 exceptions in an ocean of garbage
- Geezus_42 2y ago
  Alice in Boardland
- silisili 2y ago
  That's a fair point. As an American, we kinda just expect English by the default. But for the rare movie or show worth watching, I can set that aside. I loved Squid Game. Shame they never made a second season(/s, don't remind me!) That said most of the time I have the TV on I'm doing something else, and watch/listen in passing, so audio is really important. The dubbing on most movies is so, so bad. 60 year old gruff men sounding like a kid, everyone having the same weird enthusiastic tone, etc. The worst is the distancing, everyone sounds like they're talking directly into a mic despite where the camera is. I really wish they'd invest more into the dubbing process, a well dubbed movie or show is completely watchable to me. And given the growing corpus of foreign content, I think it's a necessity. It's just so rare I usually don't even bother trying anymore.
  - inemesitaffia 2y ago
    Squid game has a second season
    - xethos 2y ago
      Next you'll try to tell us they made more than on Matrix movie
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Yeah that's why I prefer subtitles. Dubs are usually very substandard. Though I think AI might change that soon. Some people find subtitles distracting but where I grew up all foreign content had them (including all English content) and they're just natural to me. I prefer this over dubbing because it never sounds as good as the original voice track.
    - soco 2y ago
      And keeping the original voice track keeps the original feeling - if something is Japanese it should also sound Japanese to properly immerse you in it, right? But if the TV just runs in the background it doesn't even matter what is running, you won't actually pay attention, don't actually need immersion, so any garbage will do.
- soco 2y ago
  The streamers were forced by law [0] to run European productions, so they had to. However the way they do it varies wildly. I appreciate the way Netflix does it - proper subtitles, and absolutely loathe the garbage dubbing Amazon Prime prefers. But to each their own right? And for the content itself, I also find refreshing to watch something less infested with the usual US common places (barfing in comedies, Texans in action flicks...) and maybe also with a closer-to-home flair and themes, so for me as a consumer it's a definite win. [0] https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/european-works#:~:text=The%20AVMSD%20provides%20a%20legal%20definition%20of%20%27European,productions%20which%20are%3A%20works%20originating%20in%20Member%20States%3B https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/european-w...

wkat4242 2y ago

I think the different countries pushing Netflix to make local content has really paid off. Some real good stuff has come out. Like DARK from Germany. Casa de Papel from Spain (though they dragged it out too long). Squid Game from Korea. It's become a lot better since it isn't just Hollywood stuff. Here in mainland Europe we're more open to content from all kinds of places. I think part of it is because we're used to not being able to understand every language. There's so many here we can never speak them all. Thus subs or dubbing are common things and don't ruin the immersion for us. In English speaking countries (even in Europe) those are often considered weird, alternative or "arthouse".

mekoka 2y ago
> In English speaking countries (even in Europe) those are often considered weird, alternative or "arthouse". It's not that dubbing can generally be considered weird in a particular culture, it's that it's just really shitty in English. I'm fluent in English and French. I'd also hardly had any experience with dubbed content at all when I started sampling Netflix's foreign offering. When I started, I picked English. It was really off-putting. I was ready to rule out dubbing altogether, then on a whim I tried the French (from France) dubbing and the difference is incredible. So, I think some countries just have more experience doing this kind of work. Americans don't seem to have it, aside from animation that is.
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Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
I'm ok with foreign content, but you mentioned 3 exceptions in an ocean of garbage
Geezus_42 2y ago
Alice in Boardland
silisili 2y ago
That's a fair point. As an American, we kinda just expect English by the default. But for the rare movie or show worth watching, I can set that aside. I loved Squid Game. Shame they never made a second season(/s, don't remind me!) That said most of the time I have the TV on I'm doing something else, and watch/listen in passing, so audio is really important. The dubbing on most movies is so, so bad. 60 year old gruff men sounding like a kid, everyone having the same weird enthusiastic tone, etc. The worst is the distancing, everyone sounds like they're talking directly into a mic despite where the camera is. I really wish they'd invest more into the dubbing process, a well dubbed movie or show is completely watchable to me. And given the growing corpus of foreign content, I think it's a necessity. It's just so rare I usually don't even bother trying anymore.
- inemesitaffia 2y ago
  Squid game has a second season
  - xethos 2y ago
    Next you'll try to tell us they made more than on Matrix movie
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Yeah that's why I prefer subtitles. Dubs are usually very substandard. Though I think AI might change that soon. Some people find subtitles distracting but where I grew up all foreign content had them (including all English content) and they're just natural to me. I prefer this over dubbing because it never sounds as good as the original voice track.
  - soco 2y ago
    And keeping the original voice track keeps the original feeling - if something is Japanese it should also sound Japanese to properly immerse you in it, right? But if the TV just runs in the background it doesn't even matter what is running, you won't actually pay attention, don't actually need immersion, so any garbage will do.
soco 2y ago
The streamers were forced by law [0] to run European productions, so they had to. However the way they do it varies wildly. I appreciate the way Netflix does it - proper subtitles, and absolutely loathe the garbage dubbing Amazon Prime prefers. But to each their own right? And for the content itself, I also find refreshing to watch something less infested with the usual US common places (barfing in comedies, Texans in action flicks...) and maybe also with a closer-to-home flair and themes, so for me as a consumer it's a definite win. [0] https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/european-works#:~:text=The%20AVMSD%20provides%20a%20legal%20definition%20of%20%27European,productions%20which%20are%3A%20works%20originating%20in%20Member%20States%3B https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/european-w...