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There’s about to be drone strikes out there so thats a no for me dawg Maybe Roma Norte will be cool but thats it

by yieldcrv 2y ago

theultdev 2y ago
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- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Do you really think we didn’t hit civilians during Trump’s presidency? He did loads more drone strikes than Obama. We just stopped counting the civilians. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207.amp > During Mr Obama's eight years in office, 1,878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. Since Mr Trump was elected in 2016, there have been 2,243 drone strikes. The Republican president has also made some of the operations, the ones outside of war zones, more secretive. As a result, things have different today: under Mr Trump, there are more drone strikes - and less transparency.
  - theultdev 2y ago
    It matters what you hit, not how much. Note how you didn't have any specific events of Trump hitting civilians to cite. https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/02/19/wedding-became-funeral/us-drone-attack-marriage-procession-yemen https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/02/19/wedding-became-funeral...
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      It does, indeed. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes... > Civilian deaths skyrocketed in Afghanistan under President Donald Trump, whose administration relaxed the rules of engagement for airstrikes in 2017, according to a new study from the Costs of War Project at Brown University. > Airstrikes killed 700 civilians in Afghanistan in 2019 alone, more than any other year since the early days of the war in 2002, according to the study. "There were more weapons dropped from the air in 2018 and 2019 than at the height of US presence in Afghanistan in 2011," the report stated.
      - theultdev 2y ago
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        ceejayoz 2y ago
        So by "It matters what you hit, not how much" you actually meant "it matters how publicly covered by the American media (which I also call 'fake news' when they do)", not "it matters what you hit"? I'm sure the thousands of civilians killed by Trump's strikes are grateful they didn't make the New York Times.
dmix 2y ago
US drones/aircraft have been flying over Mexico for ~15yrs and CIA also started flying them there under Biden admin at the request of Mexican gov. I'm skeptical Mexico would start using offensive drones though, they prefer helicopters for operations.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  But these will be drones with missiles launched by DoD unilaterally
  - dmix 2y ago
    Not without Mexico's consent. Unless you think they would commit an act a war against Mexico... to fight cartels or something? Even Obama's drone strikes in Yemen was under approval of the Yemen gov, it's a very serious thing to do.
    - yieldcrv 2y ago
      the new list just dropped, all the cartels are on it and listed as terror organizations the US also has a history of ignoring sovereignty and saying the strikes weren't against the government, just the non-state terror organization I also believe the US can coerce "consent" from a sovereign, if its more convenient to check that box so like I wrote earlier, the gentrified parts of CDMX will be fine

There’s about to be drone strikes out there so thats a no for me dawg Maybe Roma Norte will be cool but thats it

theultdev 2y ago

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ceejayoz 2y ago
Do you really think we didn’t hit civilians during Trump’s presidency? He did loads more drone strikes than Obama. We just stopped counting the civilians. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207.amp > During Mr Obama's eight years in office, 1,878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. Since Mr Trump was elected in 2016, there have been 2,243 drone strikes. The Republican president has also made some of the operations, the ones outside of war zones, more secretive. As a result, things have different today: under Mr Trump, there are more drone strikes - and less transparency.
- theultdev 2y ago
  It matters what you hit, not how much. Note how you didn't have any specific events of Trump hitting civilians to cite. https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/02/19/wedding-became-funeral/us-drone-attack-marriage-procession-yemen https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/02/19/wedding-became-funeral...
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    It does, indeed. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes... > Civilian deaths skyrocketed in Afghanistan under President Donald Trump, whose administration relaxed the rules of engagement for airstrikes in 2017, according to a new study from the Costs of War Project at Brown University. > Airstrikes killed 700 civilians in Afghanistan in 2019 alone, more than any other year since the early days of the war in 2002, according to the study. "There were more weapons dropped from the air in 2018 and 2019 than at the height of US presence in Afghanistan in 2011," the report stated.
    - theultdev 2y ago
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      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        So by "It matters what you hit, not how much" you actually meant "it matters how publicly covered by the American media (which I also call 'fake news' when they do)", not "it matters what you hit"? I'm sure the thousands of civilians killed by Trump's strikes are grateful they didn't make the New York Times.

dmix 2y ago

US drones/aircraft have been flying over Mexico for ~15yrs and CIA also started flying them there under Biden admin at the request of Mexican gov. I'm skeptical Mexico would start using offensive drones though, they prefer helicopters for operations.

yieldcrv 2y ago
But these will be drones with missiles launched by DoD unilaterally
- dmix 2y ago
  Not without Mexico's consent. Unless you think they would commit an act a war against Mexico... to fight cartels or something? Even Obama's drone strikes in Yemen was under approval of the Yemen gov, it's a very serious thing to do.
  - yieldcrv 2y ago
    the new list just dropped, all the cartels are on it and listed as terror organizations the US also has a history of ignoring sovereignty and saying the strikes weren't against the government, just the non-state terror organization I also believe the US can coerce "consent" from a sovereign, if its more convenient to check that box so like I wrote earlier, the gentrified parts of CDMX will be fine