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Almost the entire machine learning community that publishes opensource medical datasets and models... amongst other things, is on twitter. This all feels more

by nisten 2y ago

Almost the entire machine learning community that publishes opensource medical datasets and models... amongst other things, is on twitter. This all feels more emotionally motivated than logically motivated. I.e. Instead of fighting kremlin trolls and helping fact check via community notes (which has been quite effective), they're gonna let it all get worse because they're mad at the owner.

ether_at_cpan 2y ago
Twitter's not fixing the problem -- how can its users? The only logical move is not to play.
nobankai 2y ago
Community Notes are not long for this world, and even if they were it wouldn't fix a thing: https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-says-hell-fix-community-notes-on-x-after-it-disagreed-with-him-2000566212 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-says-hell-fix-community-notes-... There is no Twitter anymore. Not even a smoldering wreck where it used to stand.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
The owner is the problem. The only option is to leave (edit: just as you would any other controlling abuser).
markovs_gun 2y ago
The owner is part of a regime that is actively threatening Canadian sovereignty, so I think it's fair for them to do things "because they're mad at the owner"
minimaxir 2y ago
> Almost the entire machine learning community that publishes opensource medical datasets and models... amongst other things, is on twitter. More due to the inertia of network effects rather than inherent merit.
- soco 2y ago
  Indeed, what is Twitter doing for the machine learning? Absolutely nothing per se, just giving a performant platform to connect. Could have been Myspace just as well, or Linkedin.
viraptor 2y ago
You can fight Kremlin trolls as much as you want. They don't care about your opinion, they're paid to post, arguing with them just boosts their engagement metrics, and people who agree with them will retweet and ignore you anyway. You can't win this one and the community notes have so much delay that few will see them. Meanwhile the arguing will boost those posts to your followers as well and spread the reach.
FloorEgg 2y ago
It doesn't seem logical to me either. Ideological, political, emotional, group-think, etc. I've spotted plenty of misinformation published by/on every platform I've spent time with, including Reuters. I can see logic in a petition to get the government to use a more open/decentralized platform that is more accessible and not controlled by a potential adversary, but this doesn't seem like it's about expanding access to the CA governments information, it seems like it's about controlling narrative and not having the government associated with a narrative these people don't like.
- FloorEgg 2y ago
  Actually on second glance I think it's about both. I'm all for the government using more decentralized networks and platforms, I don't frankly care whether they post or not to X, and I get the sense that anyone who does isn't doing so based on logic but on ideological and narrative control.
dialup_sounds 2y ago
Re: the efficacy of Community Notes, Musk claims that Community Notes are being manipulated by governments and "legacy media" and that he's working to "fix" that.
computerthings 2y ago
I'd say the owner is making it worse, and it's not the responsibility of people to invest more of their effort into his platform when they can build up something they can feel way more ownership of. Bigger isn't always better. The people who would miss out on things they don't want to miss out on aren't switching, but I haven't seen a single person who did switch expressing regret. Logically speaking, that's not what you see when people do something motivated purely on emotion ;)
labster 2y ago
Twitter is a political platform, given its close ties with the highest levels of the US government. Basically what you’ve told me is that the entire machine learning community is aligned against Europe and Ukraine, and that Europe needs to develop its own internal ML community to balance this risk.
- LightHugger 2y ago
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  - labster 2y ago
    Did you mean to reply to some other comment? Choosing who you do business with is not the same as deplatforming.
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    It’s also ironic given the Twitter files revealed it had close ties to the government under previous ownership. Biden and his administration were regularly pressuring and demanding censorship from tech companies.

by nisten 2y ago

ether_at_cpan 2y ago

Twitter's not fixing the problem -- how can its users? The only logical move is not to play.

nobankai 2y ago

Community Notes are not long for this world, and even if they were it wouldn't fix a thing: https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-says-hell-fix-community-notes-on-x-after-it-disagreed-with-him-2000566212 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-says-hell-fix-community-notes-... There is no Twitter anymore. Not even a smoldering wreck where it used to stand.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

The owner is the problem. The only option is to leave (edit: just as you would any other controlling abuser).

markovs_gun 2y ago

The owner is part of a regime that is actively threatening Canadian sovereignty, so I think it's fair for them to do things "because they're mad at the owner"

minimaxir 2y ago

> Almost the entire machine learning community that publishes opensource medical datasets and models... amongst other things, is on twitter. More due to the inertia of network effects rather than inherent merit.

soco 2y ago
Indeed, what is Twitter doing for the machine learning? Absolutely nothing per se, just giving a performant platform to connect. Could have been Myspace just as well, or Linkedin.

viraptor 2y ago

You can fight Kremlin trolls as much as you want. They don't care about your opinion, they're paid to post, arguing with them just boosts their engagement metrics, and people who agree with them will retweet and ignore you anyway. You can't win this one and the community notes have so much delay that few will see them. Meanwhile the arguing will boost those posts to your followers as well and spread the reach.

FloorEgg 2y ago

It doesn't seem logical to me either. Ideological, political, emotional, group-think, etc. I've spotted plenty of misinformation published by/on every platform I've spent time with, including Reuters. I can see logic in a petition to get the government to use a more open/decentralized platform that is more accessible and not controlled by a potential adversary, but this doesn't seem like it's about expanding access to the CA governments information, it seems like it's about controlling narrative and not having the government associated with a narrative these people don't like.

FloorEgg 2y ago
Actually on second glance I think it's about both. I'm all for the government using more decentralized networks and platforms, I don't frankly care whether they post or not to X, and I get the sense that anyone who does isn't doing so based on logic but on ideological and narrative control.

dialup_sounds 2y ago

Re: the efficacy of Community Notes, Musk claims that Community Notes are being manipulated by governments and "legacy media" and that he's working to "fix" that.

computerthings 2y ago

I'd say the owner is making it worse, and it's not the responsibility of people to invest more of their effort into his platform when they can build up something they can feel way more ownership of. Bigger isn't always better. The people who would miss out on things they don't want to miss out on aren't switching, but I haven't seen a single person who did switch expressing regret. Logically speaking, that's not what you see when people do something motivated purely on emotion ;)

labster 2y ago

Twitter is a political platform, given its close ties with the highest levels of the US government. Basically what you’ve told me is that the entire machine learning community is aligned against Europe and Ukraine, and that Europe needs to develop its own internal ML community to balance this risk.

LightHugger 2y ago
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- labster 2y ago
  Did you mean to reply to some other comment? Choosing who you do business with is not the same as deplatforming.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  It’s also ironic given the Twitter files revealed it had close ties to the government under previous ownership. Biden and his administration were regularly pressuring and demanding censorship from tech companies.