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They to have just enough government for them to extract as much wealth as possible. States rights is about them doing whatever they want without interference.

They to have just enough government for them to extract as much wealth as possible. States rights is about them doing whatever they want without interference. The US had a civil war that its defenders describe as being about "states' rights", with the most important right of all being the ability to literally own other people as property. Make America Great Again is a about returning to those glory days.

andsoitis 2y ago
> the ability to literally own other people as property. Make America Great Again is a about returning to those glory days. Are you suggesting they want to allow states to reinstate slavery? That sounds very conspiratorial.
- pstuart 2y ago
  > Are you suggesting they want to allow states to reinstate slavery? Not as an immediate goal, but they would be ok with it. > That sounds very conspiratorial On my part? I wish. I wish I was delusional and could be proven wrong with certainty. The real conspiracy is happening right before our eyes. Note the highlighted text from the wiki link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin#:~:text=He%20has%20defended%20the%20institution,consider%20himself%20a%20white%20nationalist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin#:~:text=He%20has...
- kennyloginz 2y ago
  Not really, just look up RFK Jr’s “wellness farms”. https://www.salon.com/2025/02/19/rfk-s-plan-to-make-america-healthy-again-round-up-people-with-mental-health-conditions-in-camps/ https://www.salon.com/2025/02/19/rfk-s-plan-to-make-america-...
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Slavery was never actually banned. The 13th Amendment leaves a Death Star sized loophole. > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
  - gottorf 2y ago
    I do not find it strange or otherwise see it as a loophole that duly convicted prisoners pay some of their debt to society by being forced to do labor.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      Sure, until you get “duly convicted” of a minor crime like speeding or having a joint and sent to the labor camps.
      - gottorf 2y ago
        There's this idea that America's prisons are full of people like you describe, which really isn't borne out by reality at all.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        There are quite a few less nonviolent drug offenders in jail than, say, the 1990s, but that doesn't mean it can't swing back. It's a deeply perverse incentive, even if it's not currently being abused. I don't love having it in the hands of politicians as an option.
        int_19h 2y ago
        It doesn't really matter. The point is that it would be perfectly compatible with 13A.
    - jononor 2y ago
      It at least hinges on what people are convicted of being things that "deserve" slavery. Not all agree that possession of drugs for personal use meets that. Or performing or having an abortion. What if the government turns full Russia and makes political dissent illegal? Or championing/practicing "non traditional family values" like LGBT? There is also a moral hazard in being able to earn money on prison labor, as it incentives putting people in prison.

andsoitis 2y ago

> the ability to literally own other people as property. Make America Great Again is a about returning to those glory days. Are you suggesting they want to allow states to reinstate slavery? That sounds very conspiratorial.

pstuart 2y ago
> Are you suggesting they want to allow states to reinstate slavery? Not as an immediate goal, but they would be ok with it. > That sounds very conspiratorial On my part? I wish. I wish I was delusional and could be proven wrong with certainty. The real conspiracy is happening right before our eyes. Note the highlighted text from the wiki link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin#:~:text=He%20has%20defended%20the%20institution,consider%20himself%20a%20white%20nationalist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin#:~:text=He%20has...
kennyloginz 2y ago
Not really, just look up RFK Jr’s “wellness farms”. https://www.salon.com/2025/02/19/rfk-s-plan-to-make-america-healthy-again-round-up-people-with-mental-health-conditions-in-camps/ https://www.salon.com/2025/02/19/rfk-s-plan-to-make-america-...
ceejayoz 2y ago
Slavery was never actually banned. The 13th Amendment leaves a Death Star sized loophole. > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
- gottorf 2y ago
  I do not find it strange or otherwise see it as a loophole that duly convicted prisoners pay some of their debt to society by being forced to do labor.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Sure, until you get “duly convicted” of a minor crime like speeding or having a joint and sent to the labor camps.
    - gottorf 2y ago
      There's this idea that America's prisons are full of people like you describe, which really isn't borne out by reality at all.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        There are quite a few less nonviolent drug offenders in jail than, say, the 1990s, but that doesn't mean it can't swing back. It's a deeply perverse incentive, even if it's not currently being abused. I don't love having it in the hands of politicians as an option.
      - int_19h 2y ago
        It doesn't really matter. The point is that it would be perfectly compatible with 13A.
  - jononor 2y ago
    It at least hinges on what people are convicted of being things that "deserve" slavery. Not all agree that possession of drugs for personal use meets that. Or performing or having an abortion. What if the government turns full Russia and makes political dissent illegal? Or championing/practicing "non traditional family values" like LGBT? There is also a moral hazard in being able to earn money on prison labor, as it incentives putting people in prison.