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Is the US going the way the aftermath of which is described in Neuromancer, or is it going to be Snow Crash, complete with visas to every city state, and the "U

Is the US going the way the aftermath of which is described in Neuromancer, or is it going to be Snow Crash, complete with visas to every city state, and the "US" part that's left deluded that they are in control?

Joel_Mckay 2y ago
The film describes a "Despotism" (1946) cycle, and ultimate conclusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdVB-R6Duso https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdVB-R6Duso Keep in mind people voted for this knowing the plan, but this book documents human behavior in general politics under a new ruler: "The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics" (Bruce Bueno de Mesquita, Alastair Smith) https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Politics/dp/1610391845 https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Po... Removing political guardrails and community due-process is what is happening. A king and his fool is unsustainable, thus... people with brains and money will simply start to vote with their feet and leave while they are able. Have a great day =3
- kibwen 2y ago
  > people with brains and money will simply start to vote with their feet and leave while they are able That worked in 1935. It doesn't work in 2025, in a world with nuclear-tipped ICBMs. We're all stuck on this planet together now; there's no escaping from a US with a mad king at the helm.
  - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
    "nuclear-tipped ICBMs" Not unless someone is suicidal, the ultimate glass-cannon is practically only an economic-weapon designed to bankrupt anyone foolish enough to compete in such programs. Besides, there are rumors of far worse things now like geriatric Fox media. lol =3
    - slg 2y ago
      >Not unless someone is suicidal There are plenty of examples of rulers suddenly becoming suicidal once the walls start closing in on them.
      - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
        Narcissists love themselves more than anyone else, and would never deny the world of their joy in collateral misery. lol =3 "Don't Be a Sucker" (1947) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk
rbetts 2y ago
Lately, I feel like I'm living in the William Gibson "Bridge" trilogy meets Douglas Adam's Zaphod Beeblebrox timeline.
- snailmailstare 2y ago
  I spent a long time trying to figure out who he could have been comparing himself to every time he was in the media for decades, until I was watching the Simpsons and realized Krusty had always been there but was no longer the worlds most beloved clown.
- duskwuff 2y ago
  > Douglas Adam's Zaphod Beeblebrox timeline At least the galactic government had the good sense to make the President of the Galaxy a figurehead. (Or, uh, figureheads?)
- benatkin 2y ago
  Ketamine is analogous to the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster? https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-don-lemon-small-amount-ketamine-every-other-week-2024-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-don-lemon-small-am...
  - kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
    And yet he is allowed to have TS by the idiots running the DoD.
Hikikomori 2y ago
It's snow crash, they're calling it network states. Tech billionaires want to be CEO kings of their own mini states, their goal is to destroy the federal government. Project 2025 is based on ideas (in particula, RAGE, retire all government employees) from Curtis Yarvin, good friend of Peter Theil and JD Vance. https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-plot-against-america?r=4lc94&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-plot-against-americ... https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no
- Applejinx 2y ago
  Accurately observed, but I think they're foolish and are only being used by a particular nation-state with a grudge against the US. Their alliances are pretty obvious, but an empire trying to reclaim its empire does not keep its promises to tech barons. The Project 2025 people are probably sincere, but wildly impractical. Their impracticality has been indulged by a global adversary which simply intends to destroy the United States on every possible level. There's no reason the tech barons will be given mini states. Why would that happen?
  - disqard 2y ago
    Yeah, they all are (immensely rich (for now)) useful idiots. Their greed is being leveraged to have them dismantle their own nation -- no need for military action. What happens afterward might surprise these rich plutocrats, but I personally won't be surprised by it.
    - xnx 2y ago
      It feels like they really want to make use of those expensive bunkers.
      - mrguyorama 2y ago
        That's actually the problem. These tech shitlords KNOW there's a chance everything is destroyed in a way that doesn't leave them gods. But they place that chance at like 30%. They're degenerate gamblers basically, betting it all on red.

Joel_Mckay 2y ago

The film describes a "Despotism" (1946) cycle, and ultimate conclusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdVB-R6Duso https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdVB-R6Duso Keep in mind people voted for this knowing the plan, but this book documents human behavior in general politics under a new ruler: "The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics" (Bruce Bueno de Mesquita, Alastair Smith) https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Politics/dp/1610391845 https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Po... Removing political guardrails and community due-process is what is happening. A king and his fool is unsustainable, thus... people with brains and money will simply start to vote with their feet and leave while they are able. Have a great day =3

kibwen 2y ago
> people with brains and money will simply start to vote with their feet and leave while they are able That worked in 1935. It doesn't work in 2025, in a world with nuclear-tipped ICBMs. We're all stuck on this planet together now; there's no escaping from a US with a mad king at the helm.
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  "nuclear-tipped ICBMs" Not unless someone is suicidal, the ultimate glass-cannon is practically only an economic-weapon designed to bankrupt anyone foolish enough to compete in such programs. Besides, there are rumors of far worse things now like geriatric Fox media. lol =3
  - slg 2y ago
    >Not unless someone is suicidal There are plenty of examples of rulers suddenly becoming suicidal once the walls start closing in on them.
    - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
      Narcissists love themselves more than anyone else, and would never deny the world of their joy in collateral misery. lol =3 "Don't Be a Sucker" (1947) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk

rbetts 2y ago

Lately, I feel like I'm living in the William Gibson "Bridge" trilogy meets Douglas Adam's Zaphod Beeblebrox timeline.

snailmailstare 2y ago
I spent a long time trying to figure out who he could have been comparing himself to every time he was in the media for decades, until I was watching the Simpsons and realized Krusty had always been there but was no longer the worlds most beloved clown.
duskwuff 2y ago
> Douglas Adam's Zaphod Beeblebrox timeline At least the galactic government had the good sense to make the President of the Galaxy a figurehead. (Or, uh, figureheads?)
benatkin 2y ago
Ketamine is analogous to the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster? https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-don-lemon-small-amount-ketamine-every-other-week-2024-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-don-lemon-small-am...
- kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
  And yet he is allowed to have TS by the idiots running the DoD.

Hikikomori 2y ago

It's snow crash, they're calling it network states. Tech billionaires want to be CEO kings of their own mini states, their goal is to destroy the federal government. Project 2025 is based on ideas (in particula, RAGE, retire all government employees) from Curtis Yarvin, good friend of Peter Theil and JD Vance. https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-plot-against-america?r=4lc94&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-plot-against-americ... https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no

Applejinx 2y ago
Accurately observed, but I think they're foolish and are only being used by a particular nation-state with a grudge against the US. Their alliances are pretty obvious, but an empire trying to reclaim its empire does not keep its promises to tech barons. The Project 2025 people are probably sincere, but wildly impractical. Their impracticality has been indulged by a global adversary which simply intends to destroy the United States on every possible level. There's no reason the tech barons will be given mini states. Why would that happen?
- disqard 2y ago
  Yeah, they all are (immensely rich (for now)) useful idiots. Their greed is being leveraged to have them dismantle their own nation -- no need for military action. What happens afterward might surprise these rich plutocrats, but I personally won't be surprised by it.
  - xnx 2y ago
    It feels like they really want to make use of those expensive bunkers.
    - mrguyorama 2y ago
      That's actually the problem. These tech shitlords KNOW there's a chance everything is destroyed in a way that doesn't leave them gods. But they place that chance at like 30%. They're degenerate gamblers basically, betting it all on red.