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Might just be worth clarifying here that Element is a private company and Matrix.org (the organisation in question here) is a not-for-profit

kop316 2y ago
While that's fair, My understanding is Element does fund matrix.org (They even state that in the article and it can be seen here: https://matrix.org/support/ https://matrix.org/support/). So I would think that money they get from those services would help.
- aine 2y ago
  at the same time, they (Element) focus on bigger customers, where they can make bigger money and then fund the Foundation. On the contrary, etke.cc focuses on small, independent Matrix servers that could work as a single-user server, and as a small company/community internal server, and even a public server. Our focus is to be sustainable and to provide a way to own your communications in a hassle-free (or, at least, less painful) way. So, our goals are just different. Disclaimer: I'm Aine, one of the etke.cc developers
  - kop316 2y ago
    Hi Aine! I actually migrated to etke.cc when that happened, and have been really happy with your services. I do get that the goals are different, and to be honest, I'm still not sure whether my post/annoyance is justified. EMS is within their rights to do what they want, and sure, single users/small instances like me may not be worth their time. I would just think that if they are still struggling to fund large public servers, I wouldn't turn own even smaller instances until I am financially solvent.
tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
If I type "matrix" into the Play store: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=matrix&c=apps https://play.google.com/store/search?q=matrix&c=apps I get "element" as the first result. That means that regardless of what anyone wants, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vector.app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vector.app is the Matrix app, and either it works, or "Matrix" is broken, trash, and to be avoided. Yes, I understand the differences between them. Normal users will not understand, and I will pretend to not understand, because I'm not willing to deal with such distinctions. Either a thing works or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, I'm not willing to try which combination of homeservers and apps may make it work, because normal people won't be willing to do that and the people who are willing to do that will only want to talk to me about debugging their new chat app rather than actually interesting topics.

kop316 2y ago

While that's fair, My understanding is Element does fund matrix.org (They even state that in the article and it can be seen here: https://matrix.org/support/ https://matrix.org/support/). So I would think that money they get from those services would help.

aine 2y ago
at the same time, they (Element) focus on bigger customers, where they can make bigger money and then fund the Foundation. On the contrary, etke.cc focuses on small, independent Matrix servers that could work as a single-user server, and as a small company/community internal server, and even a public server. Our focus is to be sustainable and to provide a way to own your communications in a hassle-free (or, at least, less painful) way. So, our goals are just different. Disclaimer: I'm Aine, one of the etke.cc developers
- kop316 2y ago
  Hi Aine! I actually migrated to etke.cc when that happened, and have been really happy with your services. I do get that the goals are different, and to be honest, I'm still not sure whether my post/annoyance is justified. EMS is within their rights to do what they want, and sure, single users/small instances like me may not be worth their time. I would just think that if they are still struggling to fund large public servers, I wouldn't turn own even smaller instances until I am financially solvent.

tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago

If I type "matrix" into the Play store: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=matrix&c=apps https://play.google.com/store/search?q=matrix&c=apps I get "element" as the first result. That means that regardless of what anyone wants, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vector.app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vector.app is the Matrix app, and either it works, or "Matrix" is broken, trash, and to be avoided. Yes, I understand the differences between them. Normal users will not understand, and I will pretend to not understand, because I'm not willing to deal with such distinctions. Either a thing works or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, I'm not willing to try which combination of homeservers and apps may make it work, because normal people won't be willing to do that and the people who are willing to do that will only want to talk to me about debugging their new chat app rather than actually interesting topics.