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At least in France, where they have PhDs which last only 3 years, a years of PhD would cost ~45K EUR in gross salary (granted the student gets around half of th
by dagenleg 2y ago
At least in France, where they have PhDs which last only 3 years, a years of PhD would cost ~45K EUR in gross salary (granted the student gets around half of that after tax), then let's say ~10K travel and consumables costs, then add up the inevitable 20% overhead costs and now you're looking at around 200K for the shortest possible frugal 3 year PhD.
- rhubarbtree 2y agoAt least in the UK, overheads are usually over 100%.
- p-a_58213 2y ago....at best :( - more in certain universities.
- dagenleg 2y agoThis sounds like quite an outlandish figure, could you please elaborate? For example, an ERC grant would allow for a maximum of 25% of the so called "indirect costs", that is, one fourths of all the the direct costs (gross salaries, materiel, travel, etc) gets paid as a lump sum, and this usually goes to the institution. How do you end up with over 100% overheads?
- rhubarbtree 2y agoI recall putting a grant proposal together. An RA salary of £40K was charged to the project at £110K. Those numbers are roughly accurate, might actually have been slightly higher. I’m not sure how that gets accounted in different schemes, perhaps it is somehow impossible in ERC grants, but it is certainly the case in some grants. 25% cap would I think make most universities bankrupt overnight.
- dagenleg 2y agoI suspect a large part of that 110K would be the government's cut. Again, coming back to the french system, an employee getting 40K after taxes costs ~80K to the institution there. I didn't think of the salary taxes as overheads, we count them as direct costs.
- selfmodruntime 2y agoI agree, in Germany companies PhD funding seems to be between 200 and 300k.
- ta12653421 2y agoShow me any source of a German company funding a PhD role with 200.000 EUR or 300.000 EUR salary Sorry, this is just not true
- selfmodruntime 2y agoI mean gross salary, for all 3-4 years for your employer. You‘d be surprised how much money is spent on paying your salary (as well as other expenses like traveling to conferences and equipment). No one is talking salary.
- dagenleg 2y agoThese are gross overall costs for the full PhD, not yearly salary.