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>They do want to go there. Of course they do. And they need to respect the wishes, and more importantly, the laws and regulations within those political bound

>They do want to go there. Of course they do. And they need to respect the wishes, and more importantly, the laws and regulations within those political boundaries. Manhattan isn't a playground for entitled jackasses like you. It's home to 1,000,000 human beings. Do you have so little respect for your fellow Americans that you will happily pollute their homes with noxious gases, noise and the stench of automobiles? I'd also note that you aren't making the same argument about the toll roads in New Jersey. Heck, if I use those roads I'm almost certainly not going anywhere in New Jersey. Which is distinct from a specific destination. I find your apparent lack of self awareness and disdain for your fellow humans disgusting. Have a nice day. Edit: Fixed typo.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
> And they need to respect the wishes, and more importantly, the laws and regulations within those political boundaries. Those laws include the federal laws which are now being applied. > Do you have so little respect for your fellow Americans that you will happily pollute their homes with noxious gases, noise and the stench of automobiles? Those Manhattan residents are heating their residences with predominantly fuel oil and natural gas. If we're constraining the combustion of things they're going to be pretty cold. I've been inside the New York City subway system; it smells strongly of brake dust and the electrical contact shoes generate a significant amount of ozone from arcing. Are we going to discontinue running those too? Everything has costs. And electric cars have no local exhaust emissions and significantly reduced brake dust from regenerative braking, are you proposing they be exempt from the congestion charge? That isn't currently the case. > I'd also note that you aren't making the same argument about the toll roads in New Jersey. No, you can see elsewhere in the thread that I am. They should get rid of all toll roads everywhere. The argument there is different because the purpose of the toll there is strictly revenue generation rather than purposefully deterring usage, but tolls are still an inefficient and privacy invasive method of funding government programs and should not be used. Use fuel taxes (which promote more efficient vehicles and help to price carbon) or general taxes instead. It's also not productive to make emotional appeals and personal attacks. It's politics, people get heated; make an argument, not a scene.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago

> And they need to respect the wishes, and more importantly, the laws and regulations within those political boundaries. Those laws include the federal laws which are now being applied. > Do you have so little respect for your fellow Americans that you will happily pollute their homes with noxious gases, noise and the stench of automobiles? Those Manhattan residents are heating their residences with predominantly fuel oil and natural gas. If we're constraining the combustion of things they're going to be pretty cold. I've been inside the New York City subway system; it smells strongly of brake dust and the electrical contact shoes generate a significant amount of ozone from arcing. Are we going to discontinue running those too? Everything has costs. And electric cars have no local exhaust emissions and significantly reduced brake dust from regenerative braking, are you proposing they be exempt from the congestion charge? That isn't currently the case. > I'd also note that you aren't making the same argument about the toll roads in New Jersey. No, you can see elsewhere in the thread that I am. They should get rid of all toll roads everywhere. The argument there is different because the purpose of the toll there is strictly revenue generation rather than purposefully deterring usage, but tolls are still an inefficient and privacy invasive method of funding government programs and should not be used. Use fuel taxes (which promote more efficient vehicles and help to price carbon) or general taxes instead. It's also not productive to make emotional appeals and personal attacks. It's politics, people get heated; make an argument, not a scene.