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Does this surprise anyone? Truth right down the memory hole. Guy is a serial liar; here is a danish astronaut calling out Musk's lies about the ISS-stranded a

Does this surprise anyone? Truth right down the memory hole. Guy is a serial liar; here is a danish astronaut calling out Musk's lies about the ISS-stranded astronauts: https://x.com/Astro_Andreas/status/1892517170384392664 https://x.com/Astro_Andreas/status/1892517170384392664 It was its own HN thread, but got flagged to death within minutes. If truth mattered to Trump and Musk, they would not have been elected. This whole administration is built on lies. The recession will be astounding, many people who have 401ks will not be able to retire; there will be no government benefits. This is turning into forced austerity, like with Greece after the global recession. But for what? Anti vax sentiment? Trans women playing sports? This didnt need to happen, but I will say also that the Democrats have a hand in this outcome by letting Biden run un-primaried, and not actually solving the economic woes of the working class, instead being captured by various activist groups.

palata 2y ago
> but I will say also that the Democrats have a hand in this outcome It's easy to blame the Democrats. What I see is that the majority of the population chose Trump, and after weeks of that non-sense he is still high in popularity. Those who voted Trump have a responsibility in this, and it wouldn't feel unfair if they had to endure the consequences. What seems unfair, however, is that many people in the rest of the world did not have a say in that and have to suffer because of it.
msie 2y ago
I'm surprised it took him this long. I guess he was too busy tearing down American institutions.
minimaxir 2y ago
Following that spat with the astronaut, Elon tweeted: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1892621691060093254 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1892621691060093254 > It is time to begin preparations for deorbiting the @Space_Station. > It has served its purpose. There is very little incremental utility. > Let’s go to Mars.
inverted_flag 2y ago
https://xcancel.com/Astro_Andreas/status/1892517170384392664 https://xcancel.com/Astro_Andreas/status/1892517170384392664
- exitb 2y ago
  That reply… wow. What a disappointing timeline we ended up in.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5087892/nasa-starliner-astronaut-return-iss-spacex https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5087892/nasa-starliner-...
alabastervlog 2y ago
The list of astounding and gross things the have happened that nonetheless, somehow, leave a bunch of people going "I dunno, seems OK" or "eh, it's not a big deal" is growing longer every day, and it's really starting to have not just negative, but downright nasty effects on my feelings about those same people. I guarantee a bunch will shrug this off, too. Hell it's not even the clearest evil action this week. There was a real line drawn, I think, with the pair of unambiguous nazi salutes on national TV. There's not much room left for even absurdly-generous plausible deniability. Folks still nodding along or going "gee, I dunno" about that are making a choice with eyes wide open. At least I don't have to second-guess how I feel about them now.
- adamredwoods 2y ago
  Over-indulgence of misinformation led to this.
- drawkward 2y ago
  Yeah, to me, there is no benefit of the doubt. Musk supports AfD, which seems to this American about as Nazi a party is as legally allowed in Germany. He has, of course, reinstated all kinds of far right voice to his shitty little social media platform, while simultaneously banning anyone/anything he deems too woke. Then, bro pulls a full fledged Nazi salute on national TV. I don't know if it is appropriate to call Musk a Nazi: that term is so rooted in a specific era and place. I would certainly call Musk a neo-fascist, just as I would call Trump a neo-fascist, and also the entirety of his cabinet: -an EO declaring that Trump's interpretation of the law is the only valid one for anyone in the Executive Branch (https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/02/trump-signs-order-declaring-only-president-and-ag-can-interpret-us-law-for-executive-branch/ https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/02/trump-signs-order-declar...) -ex post facto vetos (by DOGE fiat) of money previously apportioned by Congress -the abandonment of Ukraine, while carving it up with Russia for land and mineral rights, and lying about the causes for the conflict. -the undermining of NATO and bolstering of Russia (https://www.ft.com/content/ac1dcb02-4c5f-4a36-935a-f7ef0a934c7b https://www.ft.com/content/ac1dcb02-4c5f-4a36-935a-f7ef0a934...) -firing of inspectors general (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/us/politics/trump-fires-inspectors-general.html?unlocked_article_code=1.yU4.iPyb.WnUNV8G3_XVc&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/us/politics/trump-fires-i...) -firing of election security teams (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/business/trump-foreign-influence-election-interference.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/business/trump-foreign-in...) -vows of retribution against political opponents and weaponization of the DOJ (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/this-is-not-restoring-the-way-the-justice-department-is-supposed-to-work/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/this-is-not-restoring-...) This is an terrifying consolidation of power in complete violation of the intent of the American Constitution. Welcome to neo-fascist America.
beretguy 2y ago
> It was its own HN thread, but got flagged to death within minutes. Pardon me, who's flagging these posts?
- minimaxir 2y ago
  There are a lot of people on HN who doesn't want to hear about politics (which everything involving Elon Musk inevitably is) and it doesn't take many flags to kill a submission.
  - beretguy 2y ago
    Hm. A lot of other political news don't get flagged...
    - kelseyfrog 2y ago
      What is and isn't political is itself a political question. There is no escape hatch.
    - drawkward 2y ago
      That, to me, is quite telling.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  Musk’s weird fanboys, one would assume.
- k310 2y ago
  I don't know who, but I am terribly concerned about the destruction that technology has caused in the wrong hands. It reflects badly on all of us who tried to and try to do good. Technology "wants" to liberate and empower people, but is horribly used to manipulate and exploit them. See KK https://kk.org/thetechnium/what-technology/ https://kk.org/thetechnium/what-technology/
goosedragons 2y ago
It's for helping the super rich get richer and more powerful. Some tiny crumbs for socially backward people as reward for helping them do it.

palata 2y ago

> but I will say also that the Democrats have a hand in this outcome It's easy to blame the Democrats. What I see is that the majority of the population chose Trump, and after weeks of that non-sense he is still high in popularity. Those who voted Trump have a responsibility in this, and it wouldn't feel unfair if they had to endure the consequences. What seems unfair, however, is that many people in the rest of the world did not have a say in that and have to suffer because of it.

msie 2y ago

I'm surprised it took him this long. I guess he was too busy tearing down American institutions.

minimaxir 2y ago

Following that spat with the astronaut, Elon tweeted: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1892621691060093254 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1892621691060093254 > It is time to begin preparations for deorbiting the @Space_Station. > It has served its purpose. There is very little incremental utility. > Let’s go to Mars.

inverted_flag 2y ago

https://xcancel.com/Astro_Andreas/status/1892517170384392664 https://xcancel.com/Astro_Andreas/status/1892517170384392664

exitb 2y ago
That reply… wow. What a disappointing timeline we ended up in.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5087892/nasa-starliner-astronaut-return-iss-spacex https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5087892/nasa-starliner-...

alabastervlog 2y ago

The list of astounding and gross things the have happened that nonetheless, somehow, leave a bunch of people going "I dunno, seems OK" or "eh, it's not a big deal" is growing longer every day, and it's really starting to have not just negative, but downright nasty effects on my feelings about those same people. I guarantee a bunch will shrug this off, too. Hell it's not even the clearest evil action this week. There was a real line drawn, I think, with the pair of unambiguous nazi salutes on national TV. There's not much room left for even absurdly-generous plausible deniability. Folks still nodding along or going "gee, I dunno" about that are making a choice with eyes wide open. At least I don't have to second-guess how I feel about them now.

adamredwoods 2y ago
Over-indulgence of misinformation led to this.
drawkward 2y ago
Yeah, to me, there is no benefit of the doubt. Musk supports AfD, which seems to this American about as Nazi a party is as legally allowed in Germany. He has, of course, reinstated all kinds of far right voice to his shitty little social media platform, while simultaneously banning anyone/anything he deems too woke. Then, bro pulls a full fledged Nazi salute on national TV. I don't know if it is appropriate to call Musk a Nazi: that term is so rooted in a specific era and place. I would certainly call Musk a neo-fascist, just as I would call Trump a neo-fascist, and also the entirety of his cabinet: -an EO declaring that Trump's interpretation of the law is the only valid one for anyone in the Executive Branch (https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/02/trump-signs-order-declaring-only-president-and-ag-can-interpret-us-law-for-executive-branch/ https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/02/trump-signs-order-declar...) -ex post facto vetos (by DOGE fiat) of money previously apportioned by Congress -the abandonment of Ukraine, while carving it up with Russia for land and mineral rights, and lying about the causes for the conflict. -the undermining of NATO and bolstering of Russia (https://www.ft.com/content/ac1dcb02-4c5f-4a36-935a-f7ef0a934c7b https://www.ft.com/content/ac1dcb02-4c5f-4a36-935a-f7ef0a934...) -firing of inspectors general (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/us/politics/trump-fires-inspectors-general.html?unlocked_article_code=1.yU4.iPyb.WnUNV8G3_XVc&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/us/politics/trump-fires-i...) -firing of election security teams (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/business/trump-foreign-influence-election-interference.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/business/trump-foreign-in...) -vows of retribution against political opponents and weaponization of the DOJ (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/this-is-not-restoring-the-way-the-justice-department-is-supposed-to-work/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/this-is-not-restoring-...) This is an terrifying consolidation of power in complete violation of the intent of the American Constitution. Welcome to neo-fascist America.

beretguy 2y ago

> It was its own HN thread, but got flagged to death within minutes. Pardon me, who's flagging these posts?

minimaxir 2y ago
There are a lot of people on HN who doesn't want to hear about politics (which everything involving Elon Musk inevitably is) and it doesn't take many flags to kill a submission.
- beretguy 2y ago
  Hm. A lot of other political news don't get flagged...
  - kelseyfrog 2y ago
    What is and isn't political is itself a political question. There is no escape hatch.
  - drawkward 2y ago
    That, to me, is quite telling.
rsynnott 2y ago
Musk’s weird fanboys, one would assume.
k310 2y ago
I don't know who, but I am terribly concerned about the destruction that technology has caused in the wrong hands. It reflects badly on all of us who tried to and try to do good. Technology "wants" to liberate and empower people, but is horribly used to manipulate and exploit them. See KK https://kk.org/thetechnium/what-technology/ https://kk.org/thetechnium/what-technology/

goosedragons 2y ago

It's for helping the super rich get richer and more powerful. Some tiny crumbs for socially backward people as reward for helping them do it.