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I have common sense. They put the least serious people possible in charge of it, so of course I'm not going to take it seriously. > I really think we're gettin

I have common sense. They put the least serious people possible in charge of it, so of course I'm not going to take it seriously. > I really think we're getting to a point where people are too hyper emotional and sensational about most topics which further limits real discussion and response. Maybe, but this has nothing to do with emotion. I'm not a moron. An actual audit would be great, but would take more than the 30 days that Trump has been in office. They are lying, so I am left to speculate as to what. > This time someone is. Do you have any direct evidence they are doing something about it? I see several people supporting these actions that are based on emotion, but at a factual basis, it appears you are just regurgitating party propaganda.

theultdev 2y ago
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- arrosenberg 2y ago
  > Right, which is why it's still ongoing. They have a year to complete it. So maybe the President's special boy shouldn't be tweeting that 150 year olds are receiving Social Security payments because he doesn't understand cobol's datetime system. That only way I take these people seriously is the way I would take a toddler with a lit torch seriously.
  - theultdev 2y ago
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  - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
    We don't have the data in front of us to actually prove your point one way or the other. Resulting to name calling and hyper emotional responses doesn't elicit the behavior of cooperation. Instead, engage on data and facts. If you said "He's making statements without any data to back up his claims" I'd respond, at this point you're correct, we do not have the data to verify. Collectively we could ask for more transparency. The result is we agree more data is needed.
    - Aushin 2y ago
      A few replies up, when presented with a clear example of the DOGE team having carte blanche access to sensitive government data, you handwaved it away. Don't accuse other people of being hyper-emotional when your own reasoning is so plainly motivated by political sentiment.
      - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
        I didn't. The report came out that it was an accident that was directly rectified. Show me where that's wrong and hand wavy.
        Aushin 2y ago
        You're telling us to trust the word of people who were caught either lying or being staggeringly incompetent. It's irrational. You're letting your political sentiments cloud your judgement. You're having an emotionally-driven reaction.
        ganoushoreilly 2y ago
        You’re telling us to trust the word of people being caught either lying or being staggeringly incompetent.
  - pests 2y ago
    While I disagree with everything going on, the cobol date time thing is just some myth everyone came up with. Go find me a single source to that claim because I can’t.
    - aredox 2y ago
      The claims from Musk are complete garbage and I have the receipts to show it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43116844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43116844
      - pests 2y ago
        Now that’s the type of report I like to see. Not “transparency” via tweets.
- JohnMakin 2y ago
  So, where is your evidence that fraud of such scale is happening in the federal budget that requires unprecedented (and likely extremely illegal) access by people who are not qualified to be running a gas station IT system, let alone the entire financial and IT backend of the federal government? This is such a dishonest discussion and I suspect you types know it.
  - theultdev 2y ago
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    - thr0w4w47 2y ago
      Frivolous spending != fraud. Please read commenting guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - theultdev 2y ago
        Is there a difference when it comes to the taxpayer? It's all waste. Fraud if there were kickbacks, we'll see about that.
        thr0w4w47 2y ago
        Maybe there is no difference, but I think honest framing matters. > "Fraud has already been posted everywhere ($55b and counting)" I'm looking for some evidence to support your $55 billion fraud claim, not just $55 billion in waste. If it's been "posted everywhere", please link to it!
        theultdev 2y ago
        > just $55 billion in waste "Just" lol. After a month. Replace the fraud w/ waste if that makes you feel better about the audit. I'm sure investigations will reveal fraud, it takes awhile to build a case. But even if there is zero fraud (fat chance), gotta love the savings from waste cuts!
ganoushoreilly 2y ago
Who do you propose be put in charge? Why when the Democrats were in power weren't they put in charge before? As for an actual audit, those have been done left and right. Audits only validate where the money is going not why. Clearly they are doing something, budgeted spend is being cut and most notably if they weren't doing anything we wouldn't be having this discussion. We are also only a handful of weeks into the presidency. They're being very clear about what they are doing. Looking line by line at some of these cuts, I've yet to see anyone here actually debate the validity of all of the spend. Yes good programs will likely be impacted, things will be course corrected and brought back where appropriate. It's a painful process no mater who is executing it. The only way to reduce the budgetary spend of the country is to do just that, cut spend. You start small and work your way up.
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- trts 2y ago
  interesting to behold this inversion where the "conservative" side is taking dramatic and rapid action, changing things quickly, while the "progressive" side vociferously defends the status quo
  - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
    It is, the right appears to be playing the same hand the left has for years and the people are supporting it. Naturally this makes someone that has strong left leaning convictions frustrated as they come the realization that they aren't the majority and the numbers of people that support one narrative on the internet aren't a reflection of society as a whole. The bigger picture is this isn't localized, that's how you know it's a larger problem. Countries around the world are having the same discourse and results. People are done with it. Identity politics is over. Spending excess money to support these groups is over.
    - arrosenberg 2y ago
      That narrative is so boring and tired, and it's ultimately why Trumpism will be short lived and fade to the dustbin of history. I'm not a leftist, and I mostly don't care about the groups, the right can have them. I care about things like medical research, nuclear energy and the food supply, which are all at risk because the regime's only tactic seems to be to unplug everything and see what breaks, and then decide if they even want it to work. They're not trying to run the country efficiently, they're trying to punish federal employees. Most people are like me - they want real solutions for housing and health, not the impotence we get from the neoliberals or the kayfabe we get from Trumpism.

theultdev 2y ago

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arrosenberg 2y ago
> Right, which is why it's still ongoing. They have a year to complete it. So maybe the President's special boy shouldn't be tweeting that 150 year olds are receiving Social Security payments because he doesn't understand cobol's datetime system. That only way I take these people seriously is the way I would take a toddler with a lit torch seriously.
- theultdev 2y ago
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- ganoushoreilly 2y ago
  We don't have the data in front of us to actually prove your point one way or the other. Resulting to name calling and hyper emotional responses doesn't elicit the behavior of cooperation. Instead, engage on data and facts. If you said "He's making statements without any data to back up his claims" I'd respond, at this point you're correct, we do not have the data to verify. Collectively we could ask for more transparency. The result is we agree more data is needed.
  - Aushin 2y ago
    A few replies up, when presented with a clear example of the DOGE team having carte blanche access to sensitive government data, you handwaved it away. Don't accuse other people of being hyper-emotional when your own reasoning is so plainly motivated by political sentiment.
    - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
      I didn't. The report came out that it was an accident that was directly rectified. Show me where that's wrong and hand wavy.
      - Aushin 2y ago
        You're telling us to trust the word of people who were caught either lying or being staggeringly incompetent. It's irrational. You're letting your political sentiments cloud your judgement. You're having an emotionally-driven reaction.
        ganoushoreilly 2y ago
        You’re telling us to trust the word of people being caught either lying or being staggeringly incompetent.
- pests 2y ago
  While I disagree with everything going on, the cobol date time thing is just some myth everyone came up with. Go find me a single source to that claim because I can’t.
  - aredox 2y ago
    The claims from Musk are complete garbage and I have the receipts to show it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43116844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43116844
    - pests 2y ago
      Now that’s the type of report I like to see. Not “transparency” via tweets.
JohnMakin 2y ago
So, where is your evidence that fraud of such scale is happening in the federal budget that requires unprecedented (and likely extremely illegal) access by people who are not qualified to be running a gas station IT system, let alone the entire financial and IT backend of the federal government? This is such a dishonest discussion and I suspect you types know it.
- theultdev 2y ago
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  - thr0w4w47 2y ago
    Frivolous spending != fraud. Please read commenting guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - theultdev 2y ago
      Is there a difference when it comes to the taxpayer? It's all waste. Fraud if there were kickbacks, we'll see about that.
      - thr0w4w47 2y ago
        Maybe there is no difference, but I think honest framing matters. > "Fraud has already been posted everywhere ($55b and counting)" I'm looking for some evidence to support your $55 billion fraud claim, not just $55 billion in waste. If it's been "posted everywhere", please link to it!
        theultdev 2y ago
        > just $55 billion in waste "Just" lol. After a month. Replace the fraud w/ waste if that makes you feel better about the audit. I'm sure investigations will reveal fraud, it takes awhile to build a case. But even if there is zero fraud (fat chance), gotta love the savings from waste cuts!

ganoushoreilly 2y ago

Who do you propose be put in charge? Why when the Democrats were in power weren't they put in charge before? As for an actual audit, those have been done left and right. Audits only validate where the money is going not why. Clearly they are doing something, budgeted spend is being cut and most notably if they weren't doing anything we wouldn't be having this discussion. We are also only a handful of weeks into the presidency. They're being very clear about what they are doing. Looking line by line at some of these cuts, I've yet to see anyone here actually debate the validity of all of the spend. Yes good programs will likely be impacted, things will be course corrected and brought back where appropriate. It's a painful process no mater who is executing it. The only way to reduce the budgetary spend of the country is to do just that, cut spend. You start small and work your way up.

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trts 2y ago
interesting to behold this inversion where the "conservative" side is taking dramatic and rapid action, changing things quickly, while the "progressive" side vociferously defends the status quo
- ganoushoreilly 2y ago
  It is, the right appears to be playing the same hand the left has for years and the people are supporting it. Naturally this makes someone that has strong left leaning convictions frustrated as they come the realization that they aren't the majority and the numbers of people that support one narrative on the internet aren't a reflection of society as a whole. The bigger picture is this isn't localized, that's how you know it's a larger problem. Countries around the world are having the same discourse and results. People are done with it. Identity politics is over. Spending excess money to support these groups is over.
  - arrosenberg 2y ago
    That narrative is so boring and tired, and it's ultimately why Trumpism will be short lived and fade to the dustbin of history. I'm not a leftist, and I mostly don't care about the groups, the right can have them. I care about things like medical research, nuclear energy and the food supply, which are all at risk because the regime's only tactic seems to be to unplug everything and see what breaks, and then decide if they even want it to work. They're not trying to run the country efficiently, they're trying to punish federal employees. Most people are like me - they want real solutions for housing and health, not the impotence we get from the neoliberals or the kayfabe we get from Trumpism.