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Agreed. Show the check numbers, mailing dates, bank transfers, etc. If there's actually really tens of billions flowing out to dead people monthly... demonstr

Agreed. Show the check numbers, mailing dates, bank transfers, etc. If there's actually really tens of billions flowing out to dead people monthly... demonstrate that. Should NOT be hard at all.

smallmancontrov 2y ago
Should not be hard... if it exists. Which is why I'm 99% sure it doesn't. But the lie will go twice around the world before the truth gets its pants on, as always.
- freedomben 2y ago
  For sake of testing your position, let's assume the fraud is true and he does what you want and publishes the details like that. What about the corner-case person who actually is legitimate and now has incredibly private information out there to make stealing their identity trivial? As a statistical anomaly who is often that corner case, I'm glad you're not the one making the policy. I wish Elon wasn't as well, and I'm sure there's going to be a giant mess at the end, but using government power (which Elon has, whether rightly or wrongly) to publish personal information about people (which they get by force giving their monopoly on government power) especially without trial or due diligence is very wrong IMHO.
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  - smallmancontrov 2y ago
    This is what courts and process and testimony are for. Doing this reliably in the face of bad actors with minimal stepping-on-fingers is a solved problem. Unless you don't actually care about the truth and want to send a convenient lie twice around the world before the truth gets its pants on. Then you should act like Elon is acting.
- cheema33 2y ago
  > What about the corner-case person who actually is legitimate and now has incredibly private information out there to make stealing their identity trivial? Elon usually has doesn't have any compunction about throwing innocent people under the bus if he thinks he gains something even if indirectly. But that aside, you can show evidence of massive fraud, without revealing private information to general public. Can certainly reveal it to relevant authorities.
  - kristianbrigman 2y ago
    To relevant authorities who are properly vetted? Feels like ouroboros…
    - mbrumlow 2y ago
      You would have to quantify what properly vetted is a unelected bureaucrat is. I guarantee vetting for three positions are probably little more than validating you don’t have outstanding warrants.
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Agreed. Show the check numbers, mailing dates, bank transfers, etc. If there's actually really tens of billions flowing out to dead people monthly... demonstrate that. Should NOT be hard at all.

smallmancontrov 2y ago

Should not be hard... if it exists. Which is why I'm 99% sure it doesn't. But the lie will go twice around the world before the truth gets its pants on, as always.

freedomben 2y ago
For sake of testing your position, let's assume the fraud is true and he does what you want and publishes the details like that. What about the corner-case person who actually is legitimate and now has incredibly private information out there to make stealing their identity trivial? As a statistical anomaly who is often that corner case, I'm glad you're not the one making the policy. I wish Elon wasn't as well, and I'm sure there's going to be a giant mess at the end, but using government power (which Elon has, whether rightly or wrongly) to publish personal information about people (which they get by force giving their monopoly on government power) especially without trial or due diligence is very wrong IMHO.
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- smallmancontrov 2y ago
  This is what courts and process and testimony are for. Doing this reliably in the face of bad actors with minimal stepping-on-fingers is a solved problem. Unless you don't actually care about the truth and want to send a convenient lie twice around the world before the truth gets its pants on. Then you should act like Elon is acting.
cheema33 2y ago
> What about the corner-case person who actually is legitimate and now has incredibly private information out there to make stealing their identity trivial? Elon usually has doesn't have any compunction about throwing innocent people under the bus if he thinks he gains something even if indirectly. But that aside, you can show evidence of massive fraud, without revealing private information to general public. Can certainly reveal it to relevant authorities.
- kristianbrigman 2y ago
  To relevant authorities who are properly vetted? Feels like ouroboros…
  - mbrumlow 2y ago
    You would have to quantify what properly vetted is a unelected bureaucrat is. I guarantee vetting for three positions are probably little more than validating you don’t have outstanding warrants.

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