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Launch HN: Confident AI (YC W25) – Open-source evaluation framework for LLM apps

117 points by jeffreyip 2y ago

Hi HN - we're Jeffrey and Kritin, and we're building Confident AI (https://confident-ai.com https://confident-ai.com). This is the cloud platform for DeepEval (https://github.com/confident-ai/deepeval https://github.com/confident-ai/deepeval), our open-source package that helps engineers evaluate and unit-test LLM applications. Think Pytest for LLMs. We spent the past year building DeepEval with the goal of providing the best LLM evaluation developer experience, growing it to run over 600K evaluations daily in CI/CD pipelines of enterprises like BCG, AstraZeneca, AXA, and Capgemini. But the fact that DeepEval simply runs, and does nothing with the data afterward, isn’t the best experience. If you want to inspect failing test cases, identify regressions, or even pick the best model/prompt combination, you need more than just DeepEval. That’s why we built a platform around it. Here’s a quick demo video of how everything works: https://youtu.be/PB3ngq7x4ko https://youtu.be/PB3ngq7x4ko Confident AI is great for RAG pipelines, agents, and chatbots. Typical use cases involve allowing companies to switch the underlying LLM, rewrite prompts for newer (and possibly cheaper) models, and keep test sets in sync with the codebase where DeepEval tests are run. Our platform features a "dataset editor," a "regression catcher," and "iteration insights". The datasets editor in Confident AI allows domain experts to edit datasets while keeping them in sync with your codebase for evaluation. We’ll then generate sharable LLM testing/benchmark reports once DeepEval has finished running evaluations on these datasets that are pulled from the cloud. The regression catcher then identifies any regressions in your new implementation, and we use these evaluation results to determine the best iteration based on your metric scores. Our goal is to make benchmarking LLM applications so reliable that picking the best implementation is as simple as reading the metric values off the dashboard. To achieve this, the quality of curated datasets and the accuracy and reliability of metrics must be the highest possible. This brings us to our current limitations. Right now, DeepEval’s primary evaluation method is LLM-as-a-judge. We use techniques such as GEval and question-answer generation to improve reliability, but these methods can still be inconsistent. Even with high-quality datasets curated by domain experts, our evaluation metrics remain the biggest blocker to our goal. To address this, we recently released a DAG (Directed Acyclic Graph) metric in DeepEval. It is a decision-tree-based, LLM-as-a-judge metric that provides deterministic results by breaking a test case into finer atomic units. Each edge represents a decision, each node represents an LLM evaluation step, and each leaf node returns a score. It works best in scenarios where success criteria are clearly defined, such as text summarization. The DAG metric is still in its early stages, but our hope is that by moving towards better, code-driven, open-source metrics, Confident AI can deliver deterministic LLM benchmarks that anyone can blindly trust. We hope you’ll give Confident AI a try. Quickstart here: https://docs.confident-ai.com/confident-ai/confident-ai-introduction https://docs.confident-ai.com/confident-ai/confident-ai-intr... The platform runs on a freemium tier, and we've dropped the need to signup with a work email for the next four days. Looking forward to your thoughts!

nisten 2y ago
This looks nice and flashy for an investor presentation, but practically I just need the thing to work off of an API or if it is all local to at least have vllm support so it doesn't take 10 hours to run a bench. The extra long documentation and abstractions for me personally are exactly what I DONT want to have in a benchmarking repo. I.e. what transformers version is this, will it support TGI v3, will it automatically remove thinking traces with a flag in the code or running command, will it run the latest models that need custom transformer version etc. And if it's not a locally runnable product it should at least have a public accessable leaderboard to submit oss models too or something. Just my opinion. I don't like it. It looks like way too much docs and code slop for what should just be a 3 line command.
- jeffreyip 2y ago
  I see, although most users come to us for evaluating LLM applications, you're correct that the academic benchmarking of foundational models is also offered in DeepEval, which I'm assuming what you're talking about. We actually designed it to make it easily work off any API. How it works is you just have to create a wrapper around your API and you're good to go. We take care of the async/concurrent handling of such benchmarking so the evaluation speed is really just limited by the rate limit of your LLM API. This link shows what a wrapper looks like: https://docs.confident-ai.com/guides/guides-using-custom-llms#creating-a-custom-llm https://docs.confident-ai.com/guides/guides-using-custom-llm... And once you have your model wrapper setup, you can use any benchmark we provide.
tracyhenry 2y ago
This looks great. I would love to know more what makes Confident AI/DeepEval special compared to tons of other LLM Eval tools out there.
- jeffreyip 2y ago
  Thanks and great question! There's a ton of eval tools out there but there are only a few that actually focuses on evals. The quality of LLM evaluation depends on the quality of dataset and the quality of metrics, and so tools that are more focused on the platform side of things (observability/tracing) tend to fall short on the ability to do accurate and reliable benchmarking. What tends to happen for those tools are users use them for one-off debugging, but when errors only happen 1% of the time, there is no capability for regression testing. Since we own the metrics and the algorithms that we've spent the last year iterating on with our users, we balance between giving engineers the ability to customize our metric algorithms and evaluation techniques, while offering the ability for them to bring it to the cloud for their organization when they're ready. This brings me to the tools that does have their own metrics and evals. Including us, there's only 3 companies out there that does this to a good extent (excuse me for this one), and we're the only one with a self-served platform such that any open-source user can get the benefit of Confident AI as well. That's not all the difference, because if you were to compare DeepEval's metrics on more nuance details (which I think is very important), we provide the most customizable metrics out there. This includes researched-backed SOTA LLM-as-a-judge G-Eval for any criteria, and the recently released DAG metric that is a decision-based that is virtually deterministic despite being LLM-evaluated. This means as user's use cases get more and more specific, they can stick with our metrics and benefit from DeepEval's ecosystem as well (metric caching, cost tracking, parallelization, integrated with Pytest for CI/CD, Confident AI, etc) There's so much more, such as generating synthetic data to get started with testing even if you don't have a prepared test set, red-teaming for safety testing (so not just testing for functionality), but I'm going to stop here for now.

117 points by jeffreyip 2y ago

nisten 2y ago

This looks nice and flashy for an investor presentation, but practically I just need the thing to work off of an API or if it is all local to at least have vllm support so it doesn't take 10 hours to run a bench. The extra long documentation and abstractions for me personally are exactly what I DONT want to have in a benchmarking repo. I.e. what transformers version is this, will it support TGI v3, will it automatically remove thinking traces with a flag in the code or running command, will it run the latest models that need custom transformer version etc. And if it's not a locally runnable product it should at least have a public accessable leaderboard to submit oss models too or something. Just my opinion. I don't like it. It looks like way too much docs and code slop for what should just be a 3 line command.

jeffreyip 2y ago
I see, although most users come to us for evaluating LLM applications, you're correct that the academic benchmarking of foundational models is also offered in DeepEval, which I'm assuming what you're talking about. We actually designed it to make it easily work off any API. How it works is you just have to create a wrapper around your API and you're good to go. We take care of the async/concurrent handling of such benchmarking so the evaluation speed is really just limited by the rate limit of your LLM API. This link shows what a wrapper looks like: https://docs.confident-ai.com/guides/guides-using-custom-llms#creating-a-custom-llm https://docs.confident-ai.com/guides/guides-using-custom-llm... And once you have your model wrapper setup, you can use any benchmark we provide.

tracyhenry 2y ago

This looks great. I would love to know more what makes Confident AI/DeepEval special compared to tons of other LLM Eval tools out there.

jeffreyip 2y ago
Thanks and great question! There's a ton of eval tools out there but there are only a few that actually focuses on evals. The quality of LLM evaluation depends on the quality of dataset and the quality of metrics, and so tools that are more focused on the platform side of things (observability/tracing) tend to fall short on the ability to do accurate and reliable benchmarking. What tends to happen for those tools are users use them for one-off debugging, but when errors only happen 1% of the time, there is no capability for regression testing. Since we own the metrics and the algorithms that we've spent the last year iterating on with our users, we balance between giving engineers the ability to customize our metric algorithms and evaluation techniques, while offering the ability for them to bring it to the cloud for their organization when they're ready. This brings me to the tools that does have their own metrics and evals. Including us, there's only 3 companies out there that does this to a good extent (excuse me for this one), and we're the only one with a self-served platform such that any open-source user can get the benefit of Confident AI as well. That's not all the difference, because if you were to compare DeepEval's metrics on more nuance details (which I think is very important), we provide the most customizable metrics out there. This includes researched-backed SOTA LLM-as-a-judge G-Eval for any criteria, and the recently released DAG metric that is a decision-based that is virtually deterministic despite being LLM-evaluated. This means as user's use cases get more and more specific, they can stick with our metrics and benefit from DeepEval's ecosystem as well (metric caching, cost tracking, parallelization, integrated with Pytest for CI/CD, Confident AI, etc) There's so much more, such as generating synthetic data to get started with testing even if you don't have a prepared test set, red-teaming for safety testing (so not just testing for functionality), but I'm going to stop here for now.