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They aren’t auditing or thoroughly reviewing shit. They're stealing the data and then waving their hands about non-existent crimes and nickel and dime levels of

They aren’t auditing or thoroughly reviewing shit. They're stealing the data and then waving their hands about non-existent crimes and nickel and dime levels of misappropriated or weird spending.

ganoushoreilly 2y ago
I understand you're frustrated because of who and what. Do you have any direct evidence they are stealing data? I see a lot of these responses that are emotional but at a factual basis it doesn't appear that way. Just as raw un restricted read/write access is constantly alleged, but we have in turn found out that isn't the case. I really think we're getting to a point where people are too hyper emotional and sensational about most topics which further limits real discussion and response. As for the idea of nickle and dimming, everything adds up and they're no where near done yet. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and we need a lot of it. Nearly every person that has run for president in modern years has stated they would go after excess spending and fraud, yet none follow through. This time someone is. If years of doing nothing gets us further down the debt rabbit hole, what harm is being done?
- arrosenberg 2y ago
  I have common sense. They put the least serious people possible in charge of it, so of course I'm not going to take it seriously. > I really think we're getting to a point where people are too hyper emotional and sensational about most topics which further limits real discussion and response. Maybe, but this has nothing to do with emotion. I'm not a moron. An actual audit would be great, but would take more than the 30 days that Trump has been in office. They are lying, so I am left to speculate as to what. > This time someone is. Do you have any direct evidence they are doing something about it? I see several people supporting these actions that are based on emotion, but at a factual basis, it appears you are just regurgitating party propaganda.
  - theultdev 2y ago
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    - arrosenberg 2y ago
      > Right, which is why it's still ongoing. They have a year to complete it. So maybe the President's special boy shouldn't be tweeting that 150 year olds are receiving Social Security payments because he doesn't understand cobol's datetime system. That only way I take these people seriously is the way I would take a toddler with a lit torch seriously.
      - theultdev 2y ago
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      - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
        We don't have the data in front of us to actually prove your point one way or the other. Resulting to name calling and hyper emotional responses doesn't elicit the behavior of cooperation. Instead, engage on data and facts. If you said "He's making statements without any data to back up his claims" I'd respond, at this point you're correct, we do not have the data to verify. Collectively we could ask for more transparency. The result is we agree more data is needed.
        Aushin 2y ago
        A few replies up, when presented with a clear example of the DOGE team having carte blanche access to sensitive government data, you handwaved it away. Don't accuse other people of being hyper-emotional when your own reasoning is so plainly motivated by political sentiment.
        ganoushoreilly 2y ago
        I didn't. The report came out that it was an accident that was directly rectified. Show me where that's wrong and hand wavy.
  - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
    Who do you propose be put in charge? Why when the Democrats were in power weren't they put in charge before? As for an actual audit, those have been done left and right. Audits only validate where the money is going not why. Clearly they are doing something, budgeted spend is being cut and most notably if they weren't doing anything we wouldn't be having this discussion. We are also only a handful of weeks into the presidency. They're being very clear about what they are doing. Looking line by line at some of these cuts, I've yet to see anyone here actually debate the validity of all of the spend. Yes good programs will likely be impacted, things will be course corrected and brought back where appropriate. It's a painful process no mater who is executing it. The only way to reduce the budgetary spend of the country is to do just that, cut spend. You start small and work your way up.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - trts 2y ago
      interesting to behold this inversion where the "conservative" side is taking dramatic and rapid action, changing things quickly, while the "progressive" side vociferously defends the status quo
      - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
        It is, the right appears to be playing the same hand the left has for years and the people are supporting it. Naturally this makes someone that has strong left leaning convictions frustrated as they come the realization that they aren't the majority and the numbers of people that support one narrative on the internet aren't a reflection of society as a whole. The bigger picture is this isn't localized, that's how you know it's a larger problem. Countries around the world are having the same discourse and results. People are done with it. Identity politics is over. Spending excess money to support these groups is over.
        arrosenberg 2y ago
        That narrative is so boring and tired, and it's ultimately why Trumpism will be short lived and fade to the dustbin of history. I'm not a leftist, and I mostly don't care about the groups, the right can have them. I care about things like medical research, nuclear energy and the food supply, which are all at risk because the regime's only tactic seems to be to unplug everything and see what breaks, and then decide if they even want it to work. They're not trying to run the country efficiently, they're trying to punish federal employees. Most people are like me - they want real solutions for housing and health, not the impotence we get from the neoliberals or the kayfabe we get from Trumpism.
- jhp123 2y ago
  > Just as raw un restricted read/write access is constantly alleged, but we have in turn found out that isn't the case. Marko "normalize Indian hate" Elez did have read/write access, as DOGE lawyers admitted in court after first claiming that he did not[0]. [0] https://thehill.com/business/5141149-former-doge-employee-editing-access-treasury-payment-system/ https://thehill.com/business/5141149-former-doge-employee-ed...
  - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
    and they immediately course corrected as they should
    - pixelpoet 2y ago
      Sorry but this is very clearly moving the goalposts; you asked, got a very seriously problematic example, and then brushed it off with "yeah but..." Come on man, are we really at the level of just letting that slide and pretending this is a legit operation? That Musk has only the best intentions, as his track record clearly shows right? I can't believe what I'm seeing, the world has gone fully crazy.
      - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
        Yep it's legitimate and I see no issues with it. The track record of the last admin was crazy were you saying the same things then? The left screamed trust the science in one breath over covid, then said science is fluid in the other when it came to biology. The left went to far and 15 or so years of being propped up and supported has gone by the wayside. I get it, people are upset, but at the end of the day we're here because of the "crazy" spending on "crazy" ideas.
        deleted 2y ago
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    - stouset 2y ago
      By re-hiring him?
- guax 2y ago
  Sunlight is publish the findings and take action after. They're firing people's, seeing the repercussion and the publishing a list of program names. Not evaluations, not analysis. Nothing substantial, just gotcha out of context strings. Do you think the entirety of USAID was "fraud" and waste? What about the US park service? I am not American and the only time I saw my country do this kind of action in this manner was during its military government.

They aren’t auditing or thoroughly reviewing shit. They're stealing the data and then waving their hands about non-existent crimes and nickel and dime levels of misappropriated or weird spending.

ganoushoreilly 2y ago

I understand you're frustrated because of who and what. Do you have any direct evidence they are stealing data? I see a lot of these responses that are emotional but at a factual basis it doesn't appear that way. Just as raw un restricted read/write access is constantly alleged, but we have in turn found out that isn't the case. I really think we're getting to a point where people are too hyper emotional and sensational about most topics which further limits real discussion and response. As for the idea of nickle and dimming, everything adds up and they're no where near done yet. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and we need a lot of it. Nearly every person that has run for president in modern years has stated they would go after excess spending and fraud, yet none follow through. This time someone is. If years of doing nothing gets us further down the debt rabbit hole, what harm is being done?

arrosenberg 2y ago
I have common sense. They put the least serious people possible in charge of it, so of course I'm not going to take it seriously. > I really think we're getting to a point where people are too hyper emotional and sensational about most topics which further limits real discussion and response. Maybe, but this has nothing to do with emotion. I'm not a moron. An actual audit would be great, but would take more than the 30 days that Trump has been in office. They are lying, so I am left to speculate as to what. > This time someone is. Do you have any direct evidence they are doing something about it? I see several people supporting these actions that are based on emotion, but at a factual basis, it appears you are just regurgitating party propaganda.
- theultdev 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - arrosenberg 2y ago
    > Right, which is why it's still ongoing. They have a year to complete it. So maybe the President's special boy shouldn't be tweeting that 150 year olds are receiving Social Security payments because he doesn't understand cobol's datetime system. That only way I take these people seriously is the way I would take a toddler with a lit torch seriously.
    - theultdev 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
      We don't have the data in front of us to actually prove your point one way or the other. Resulting to name calling and hyper emotional responses doesn't elicit the behavior of cooperation. Instead, engage on data and facts. If you said "He's making statements without any data to back up his claims" I'd respond, at this point you're correct, we do not have the data to verify. Collectively we could ask for more transparency. The result is we agree more data is needed.
      - Aushin 2y ago
        A few replies up, when presented with a clear example of the DOGE team having carte blanche access to sensitive government data, you handwaved it away. Don't accuse other people of being hyper-emotional when your own reasoning is so plainly motivated by political sentiment.
        ganoushoreilly 2y ago
        I didn't. The report came out that it was an accident that was directly rectified. Show me where that's wrong and hand wavy.
- ganoushoreilly 2y ago
  Who do you propose be put in charge? Why when the Democrats were in power weren't they put in charge before? As for an actual audit, those have been done left and right. Audits only validate where the money is going not why. Clearly they are doing something, budgeted spend is being cut and most notably if they weren't doing anything we wouldn't be having this discussion. We are also only a handful of weeks into the presidency. They're being very clear about what they are doing. Looking line by line at some of these cuts, I've yet to see anyone here actually debate the validity of all of the spend. Yes good programs will likely be impacted, things will be course corrected and brought back where appropriate. It's a painful process no mater who is executing it. The only way to reduce the budgetary spend of the country is to do just that, cut spend. You start small and work your way up.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - trts 2y ago
    interesting to behold this inversion where the "conservative" side is taking dramatic and rapid action, changing things quickly, while the "progressive" side vociferously defends the status quo
    - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
      It is, the right appears to be playing the same hand the left has for years and the people are supporting it. Naturally this makes someone that has strong left leaning convictions frustrated as they come the realization that they aren't the majority and the numbers of people that support one narrative on the internet aren't a reflection of society as a whole. The bigger picture is this isn't localized, that's how you know it's a larger problem. Countries around the world are having the same discourse and results. People are done with it. Identity politics is over. Spending excess money to support these groups is over.
      - arrosenberg 2y ago
        That narrative is so boring and tired, and it's ultimately why Trumpism will be short lived and fade to the dustbin of history. I'm not a leftist, and I mostly don't care about the groups, the right can have them. I care about things like medical research, nuclear energy and the food supply, which are all at risk because the regime's only tactic seems to be to unplug everything and see what breaks, and then decide if they even want it to work. They're not trying to run the country efficiently, they're trying to punish federal employees. Most people are like me - they want real solutions for housing and health, not the impotence we get from the neoliberals or the kayfabe we get from Trumpism.
jhp123 2y ago
> Just as raw un restricted read/write access is constantly alleged, but we have in turn found out that isn't the case. Marko "normalize Indian hate" Elez did have read/write access, as DOGE lawyers admitted in court after first claiming that he did not[0]. [0] https://thehill.com/business/5141149-former-doge-employee-editing-access-treasury-payment-system/ https://thehill.com/business/5141149-former-doge-employee-ed...
- ganoushoreilly 2y ago
  and they immediately course corrected as they should
  - pixelpoet 2y ago
    Sorry but this is very clearly moving the goalposts; you asked, got a very seriously problematic example, and then brushed it off with "yeah but..." Come on man, are we really at the level of just letting that slide and pretending this is a legit operation? That Musk has only the best intentions, as his track record clearly shows right? I can't believe what I'm seeing, the world has gone fully crazy.
    - ganoushoreilly 2y ago
      Yep it's legitimate and I see no issues with it. The track record of the last admin was crazy were you saying the same things then? The left screamed trust the science in one breath over covid, then said science is fluid in the other when it came to biology. The left went to far and 15 or so years of being propped up and supported has gone by the wayside. I get it, people are upset, but at the end of the day we're here because of the "crazy" spending on "crazy" ideas.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
  - stouset 2y ago
    By re-hiring him?
guax 2y ago
Sunlight is publish the findings and take action after. They're firing people's, seeing the repercussion and the publishing a list of program names. Not evaluations, not analysis. Nothing substantial, just gotcha out of context strings. Do you think the entirety of USAID was "fraud" and waste? What about the US park service? I am not American and the only time I saw my country do this kind of action in this manner was during its military government.