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> The team could then feed this classified information into AI tools, either for training purposes or to mine the data for insights. (Members of DOGE already re

by thih9 2y ago

> The team could then feed this classified information into AI tools, either for training purposes or to mine the data for insights. (Members of DOGE already reportedly have put sensitive data from the Education Department into AI software.) Perhaps it's cheaper to assume everything leaked or will leak soon.

lucasyvas 2y ago
Even if you were to argue AI systems would eventually have a place in government, which they almost certainly would have anyway long term, the sheer carelessness and lack of oversight of its implementation by a private citizen and group of individuals of proven, questionable ethics is enough reason in itself to have to burn the forest down. Thinking of it objectively, almost nobody here can say they would stand for this at any company they worked at or ran. This is not an acceptable IT practice no matter which side of the fence you are currently sitting on - allowing an unvetted entity to modify your internal systems without audit or oversight is completely absurd.
- CyrsBel 2y ago
  You are correct. And the nonchalant way in which the leaders who are supposed to oversee this thing are treating it is appalling. It will have consequences during mid-terms and beyond. It is clear that some people believe elected office to mean that they are then given authority and rights with which to increase in...being voyeurs rather than visionaries???
- hamhock666 2y ago
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  - lucasyvas 2y ago
    Big Balls, man? Really? This dude is vetted to make this change? Come on. The kid wouldn’t be an unpaid intern at most companies. He wouldn’t pass the HR screen. Regardless of politics, they don’t have the credentials.
    - hamhock666 2y ago
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      - deleted 2y ago
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      - scottLobster 2y ago
        No, they're hiring people with no relevant experience who in one case was fired from a previous job for leaking confidential information. Another is an unapologetic cartoonishly not-subtle racist. It's amazing to me how every time DOGE is challenged its supporters come back with "I'm sure they're doing the right thing" despite all evidence to the contrary. I'm starting to think this ends with DOGE cutting like a few hundred million dollars of random stuff, taking out even more debt to cut everyone $5000 checks, swamp every media channel with bogus "WE CUT FIFTY TRILLION DOLLARS TO GIVE BACK TO THE PEOPLE!!!" and you guys will just lap it up without question.
        ModernMech 2y ago
        It’s worse than that. They’re going to give themselves $4T in tax cuts for the 1%, cut Medicaid for $800 billion, and claim DOGE will make up the balance, even though it won’t make a dent. The debt will go up $3T, the savings will never come (again), poor people will lose healthcare, and when people wisen up, Republicans will revert to talking about how Democrats just want to “tax and spend”.
        TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
        MAGA will blow up in their faces. When health care and benefits disappear the US is suddenly going to have millions of angry, desperate, stupid and/or brainwashed volatile people waving their 2nd Amendments at Washington. This has Musk's name stamped on it. No amount of lying and misdirection is going to change that.
        marcusverus 2y ago
  - nielsbot 2y ago
    replace the old system with what exactly? and why does it have to be done quickly?
    - hamhock666 2y ago
      It has to be done quickly because the administrative state is large and there is a lot to do. Institutions grow old with time and need drastic reform or replacement. I don’t know what they will replace everything with, ideally they have a bunch of smart people thinking about that. Look at how FDR used the Bureau of the Budget to similar effect.
      - dTal 2y ago
        > I don’t know what they will replace everything with, ideally they have a bunch of smart people thinking about that Kind of the key issue dontcha think? Maybe woulda been good to know that before burning down the government? "ideally they have a bunch of smart people thinking about that" is exactly what the government is for. We had a bunch of smart people thinking about a lot of our problems. They're fired now.
        lc9er 2y ago
        The idea that government isn’t filled with tons of smart, hard working people is infuriating. Not every smart and ambitious person wants to spend their life in a rent-seeking job, building the next subscription-based app. There’s thousands upon thousands of dedicated government workers that could earn more in private industry, but view the work as a higher calling.
        nielsbot 2y ago
        So true. It's a damn shame what DOGE is doing to the government I paid for. Tearing it down and replacing it with something leaner, faster, better (fingers crossed) is just nonsensical libertarianism all over again.
        hamhock666 2y ago
  - barbazoo 2y ago
    > They need to move fast in order to replace the old system. Why?
    - mullingitover 2y ago
      Pretty sure they’re doing this blitzkrieg because what they’re doing is illegal and if they don’t get it done quickly, they’ll get stopped by the courts and probably arrested.
      - ta1243 2y ago
        And pardoned within minutes
- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  > nobody here can say they would stand for this at any company they worked at or ran This is what leaves me incredulous about so many people here defending this. I've been on this site daily for how many years I don't know but the one thing that has been consistent is the security idea that an outside entity gaining physical access to your server means that it is irreparably compromised, and that it should be treated as a liability and re-built from the ground up. But somehow it's fine if it's public data in a federal database?
  - lucasyvas 2y ago
    Thank you for citing that because it is really the basis of my point. It is meant to be apolitical and to demonstrate that we are not OK with this otherwise so shouldn’t be now.
gunian 2y ago
i love when we pretend the NSA is dumb makes my day :)

by thih9 2y ago

lucasyvas 2y ago

Even if you were to argue AI systems would eventually have a place in government, which they almost certainly would have anyway long term, the sheer carelessness and lack of oversight of its implementation by a private citizen and group of individuals of proven, questionable ethics is enough reason in itself to have to burn the forest down. Thinking of it objectively, almost nobody here can say they would stand for this at any company they worked at or ran. This is not an acceptable IT practice no matter which side of the fence you are currently sitting on - allowing an unvetted entity to modify your internal systems without audit or oversight is completely absurd.

CyrsBel 2y ago
You are correct. And the nonchalant way in which the leaders who are supposed to oversee this thing are treating it is appalling. It will have consequences during mid-terms and beyond. It is clear that some people believe elected office to mean that they are then given authority and rights with which to increase in...being voyeurs rather than visionaries???
hamhock666 2y ago
[flagged]
- lucasyvas 2y ago
  Big Balls, man? Really? This dude is vetted to make this change? Come on. The kid wouldn’t be an unpaid intern at most companies. He wouldn’t pass the HR screen. Regardless of politics, they don’t have the credentials.
  - hamhock666 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - scottLobster 2y ago
      No, they're hiring people with no relevant experience who in one case was fired from a previous job for leaking confidential information. Another is an unapologetic cartoonishly not-subtle racist. It's amazing to me how every time DOGE is challenged its supporters come back with "I'm sure they're doing the right thing" despite all evidence to the contrary. I'm starting to think this ends with DOGE cutting like a few hundred million dollars of random stuff, taking out even more debt to cut everyone $5000 checks, swamp every media channel with bogus "WE CUT FIFTY TRILLION DOLLARS TO GIVE BACK TO THE PEOPLE!!!" and you guys will just lap it up without question.
      - ModernMech 2y ago
        It’s worse than that. They’re going to give themselves $4T in tax cuts for the 1%, cut Medicaid for $800 billion, and claim DOGE will make up the balance, even though it won’t make a dent. The debt will go up $3T, the savings will never come (again), poor people will lose healthcare, and when people wisen up, Republicans will revert to talking about how Democrats just want to “tax and spend”.
        TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
        MAGA will blow up in their faces. When health care and benefits disappear the US is suddenly going to have millions of angry, desperate, stupid and/or brainwashed volatile people waving their 2nd Amendments at Washington. This has Musk's name stamped on it. No amount of lying and misdirection is going to change that.
      - marcusverus 2y ago
- nielsbot 2y ago
  replace the old system with what exactly? and why does it have to be done quickly?
  - hamhock666 2y ago
    It has to be done quickly because the administrative state is large and there is a lot to do. Institutions grow old with time and need drastic reform or replacement. I don’t know what they will replace everything with, ideally they have a bunch of smart people thinking about that. Look at how FDR used the Bureau of the Budget to similar effect.
    - dTal 2y ago
      > I don’t know what they will replace everything with, ideally they have a bunch of smart people thinking about that Kind of the key issue dontcha think? Maybe woulda been good to know that before burning down the government? "ideally they have a bunch of smart people thinking about that" is exactly what the government is for. We had a bunch of smart people thinking about a lot of our problems. They're fired now.
      - lc9er 2y ago
        The idea that government isn’t filled with tons of smart, hard working people is infuriating. Not every smart and ambitious person wants to spend their life in a rent-seeking job, building the next subscription-based app. There’s thousands upon thousands of dedicated government workers that could earn more in private industry, but view the work as a higher calling.
        nielsbot 2y ago
        So true. It's a damn shame what DOGE is doing to the government I paid for. Tearing it down and replacing it with something leaner, faster, better (fingers crossed) is just nonsensical libertarianism all over again.
        hamhock666 2y ago
- barbazoo 2y ago
  > They need to move fast in order to replace the old system. Why?
  - mullingitover 2y ago
    Pretty sure they’re doing this blitzkrieg because what they’re doing is illegal and if they don’t get it done quickly, they’ll get stopped by the courts and probably arrested.
    - ta1243 2y ago
      And pardoned within minutes
AlecSchueler 2y ago
> nobody here can say they would stand for this at any company they worked at or ran This is what leaves me incredulous about so many people here defending this. I've been on this site daily for how many years I don't know but the one thing that has been consistent is the security idea that an outside entity gaining physical access to your server means that it is irreparably compromised, and that it should be treated as a liability and re-built from the ground up. But somehow it's fine if it's public data in a federal database?
- lucasyvas 2y ago
  Thank you for citing that because it is really the basis of my point. It is meant to be apolitical and to demonstrate that we are not OK with this otherwise so shouldn’t be now.

gunian 2y ago

i love when we pretend the NSA is dumb makes my day :)