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What you're describing is very similar to what most large enterprise companies do: layers upon layers of red tape and convoluted regulations for the sake of "se

What you're describing is very similar to what most large enterprise companies do: layers upon layers of red tape and convoluted regulations for the sake of "security." This is a big reason they can’t get anything done or retain talent. Government is no different. European democracies have been dying from the same sclerosis their legacy multinationals have. The US is going through actual change. The outrage over things not being done as they always have is nonsensical.

blharr 2y ago
This is almost exactly how those people who made the failed Titanic submarines talked
scarab92 2y ago
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- moron4hire 2y ago
  This is either woefully naive or active disinformation. Edit: OP dramatically edited their post. It originally made all kinds of claims of process and propriety that just aren't happening. This was the original that I was replying to: ”Most of the animosity comes from misunderstanding. Trump tasked "DOGE" with reviewing government spending across it's 400+ agencies, and coming up with recommendations on how to reduce wasteful spending. They have 1 year to complete this task. To make sensible recommendations, DOGE needs data about the major programs within each agency. They can't tackle each agency consecutively, since there are more agencies than days until the deadline, so they are parallelising the work. The access is read only, and they are not linking personal data between agencies, but rather doing a bunch of separate audits in parallel. Trump has prohibited Musk from being involved in with the review in agencies where he was a material conflict (FAA for example).”
  - rideontime 2y ago
    Thank you for preserving the record.
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > Trump tasked "DOGE" with reviewing government spending across it's 400+ agencies, and coming up with recommendations on how to reduce wasteful spending. "Make recommendations" ? Firing the folks that maintain nuclear weapons sounds like an action, not a recommendation: * https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-doge-firings-trump-federal-916e6819104f04f44c345b7dde4904d5 https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-doge-firings-trump-federa... Firing the folks dealing with bird flu sounds like an action, not a recommendation: * https://apnews.com/article/usda-firings-doge-bird-flu-trump-fdd6495cbe44c96d471ae8c6cf4dd0a8 https://apnews.com/article/usda-firings-doge-bird-flu-trump-... Then there's the folks making a list of all the agents who were pulled off other tasks and told to investigate Jan 6: * https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-compiling-list-fbi-agents-potentially-fire/story?id=118324713 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-compili... Also firing a whole bunch of folks at the FAA even though it's already short staffed: * https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9y1e1kpjo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9y1e1kpjo Seems to be it's less about finding savings and more about blindly purging people with no regard to how useful or inefficient things actually are.
javcasas 2y ago
Have you heard about Chesterton's fence?
computerthings 2y ago
Apart from government being very different from private business indeed; I wouldn't want to eat food, drive a vehicle, or use software made by a company made with that mindset. "Safety first" is also a hard rule in all sorts of sports where people move faster than non-expert spectators can fully comprehend. If you need to cut corners to "gain efficiency" it just means you're bad.
Vilian 2y ago
It's not euro democracies that look like they are dying, comparing government to companies, yeah, iro ic that is USA that forgot the meaning of the word democracy

blharr 2y ago

This is almost exactly how those people who made the failed Titanic submarines talked

scarab92 2y ago

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moron4hire 2y ago
This is either woefully naive or active disinformation. Edit: OP dramatically edited their post. It originally made all kinds of claims of process and propriety that just aren't happening. This was the original that I was replying to: ”Most of the animosity comes from misunderstanding. Trump tasked "DOGE" with reviewing government spending across it's 400+ agencies, and coming up with recommendations on how to reduce wasteful spending. They have 1 year to complete this task. To make sensible recommendations, DOGE needs data about the major programs within each agency. They can't tackle each agency consecutively, since there are more agencies than days until the deadline, so they are parallelising the work. The access is read only, and they are not linking personal data between agencies, but rather doing a bunch of separate audits in parallel. Trump has prohibited Musk from being involved in with the review in agencies where he was a material conflict (FAA for example).”
- rideontime 2y ago
  Thank you for preserving the record.
throw0101d 2y ago
> Trump tasked "DOGE" with reviewing government spending across it's 400+ agencies, and coming up with recommendations on how to reduce wasteful spending. "Make recommendations" ? Firing the folks that maintain nuclear weapons sounds like an action, not a recommendation: * https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-doge-firings-trump-federal-916e6819104f04f44c345b7dde4904d5 https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-doge-firings-trump-federa... Firing the folks dealing with bird flu sounds like an action, not a recommendation: * https://apnews.com/article/usda-firings-doge-bird-flu-trump-fdd6495cbe44c96d471ae8c6cf4dd0a8 https://apnews.com/article/usda-firings-doge-bird-flu-trump-... Then there's the folks making a list of all the agents who were pulled off other tasks and told to investigate Jan 6: * https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-compiling-list-fbi-agents-potentially-fire/story?id=118324713 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-compili... Also firing a whole bunch of folks at the FAA even though it's already short staffed: * https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9y1e1kpjo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9y1e1kpjo Seems to be it's less about finding savings and more about blindly purging people with no regard to how useful or inefficient things actually are.

javcasas 2y ago

Have you heard about Chesterton's fence?

computerthings 2y ago

Apart from government being very different from private business indeed; I wouldn't want to eat food, drive a vehicle, or use software made by a company made with that mindset. "Safety first" is also a hard rule in all sorts of sports where people move faster than non-expert spectators can fully comprehend. If you need to cut corners to "gain efficiency" it just means you're bad.

Vilian 2y ago

It's not euro democracies that look like they are dying, comparing government to companies, yeah, iro ic that is USA that forgot the meaning of the word democracy