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In the UK in particular, it makes more sense to think of things in terms of working class Vs middle class, rather than left Vs right. The working class used to
by pwatsonwailes 2y ago
In the UK in particular, it makes more sense to think of things in terms of working class Vs middle class, rather than left Vs right. The working class used to be more left wing as a block, now it's more right wing as a block. Equally the chattering classes were more right, now they're more left.
That's why Labour is worried about reform - they're confusing their historical voter base with "people who agree with our policies". They're looking for more votes, seeing Reform's numbers increase where they used to be, and working out how they can become more right ring, rather than how can we get more center and left leaning voters to vote for us.
It's the trap the Tories occasionally fall into. Mostly the Tories are a bunch of different parties united by a few specific ideas. It's why they have so much infighting when they're in power - they aren't coherent about what they stand for. Traditionally Labour were clear on what they are, but that seems to be fracturing in the current political climate.
A lot of this got predicted back when Labour became far more center ground in the 90s, at the same time as the traditional power structures of the left waned in influence. What'll be interesting is whether the right cede Reform voters to the left and let them proceed to fight amongst themselves to appease two ideologically opposed voter bases, and become a far more center right party (probably after getting rid of Kemi), or fight for reform voters and leave Labour stronger.
Tune in in 2028 to find out what happens next I guess.
- drcongo 2y agoI thought I was going to disagree with this post when I read the opening sentence, but actually it's bang on. When the Blue Labour coup installed Starmer as leader I vowed never to vote Labour again as it essentially turned the UK into a two party system with both of those parties right of centre, which in turn has moved the Overton window far enough to the right that Reform now have dangerous levels of influence over policy.
- flir 2y agoI'm a big fan of Electoral Calculus' Tribes model: https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/pol3d_main.html https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/pol3d_main.html Bearing in mind all models are wrong but some models are useful, I think that one's more useful than left/right, class, or politicalcompass models.