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> We’re neither creating nor destroying them for the purpose of doing an LLM equivalent task Sure, so drop the training costs on both sides. Imagine company s

> We’re neither creating nor destroying them for the purpose of doing an LLM equivalent task Sure, so drop the training costs on both sides. Imagine company sends you on a business trip to a different country, for a month-long stay. Okay, you exist and have to eat and sleep anyway, but I can't imagine you accepting this as an argument from your employer - "we don't need to reimburse your hotel or food or other expenses, after all, we're neither creating nor destroying you for purpose of this assignment, and you'll be eating and sleeping and bathing anyway".

relaxing 2y ago
No, we don’t have to create an LLM to do a task. That’s a choice with costs we can evaluate. If you really don’t understand how corporate travel arrangements work, I’ll clue you in: Your employer reimburses your hotel even though you’d be sleeping anyway because your place to sleep doesn’t exist in the place they’re sending you. They pay your meals because eating out is more expensive than eating at home and your food and kitchen at home doesn’t exist in the place they’re sending you and also traveling is a pain so you deserve to treat yourself a little. They don’t generally reimburse your laundry costs unless you have stay more days than one can reasonably carry clean clothes for in a standard suitcase. Your bathing needs come free with the hotel. I hope this helps you navigate the strange and confusing world we live in.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Thank you for the explanation. It matches my experience of having been sent across the world on business trips that lasted a month per stay (yes, standard suitcase doesn't fit enough clean clothes for those). I don't see your problem with the comparisons. We don't have to hire people and train them for the job either. GPUs already exist and could be running something else than LLMs (say, crypto miners). I feel it's you who's having problems drawing boundaries to allow for an apples-to-apples comparison.
  - relaxing 2y ago
    The people are there expensing energy even if you don’t hire them, but we can choose not to expend the energy to make an LLM. I don’t know how to explain it any more simply than that.

relaxing 2y ago

No, we don’t have to create an LLM to do a task. That’s a choice with costs we can evaluate. If you really don’t understand how corporate travel arrangements work, I’ll clue you in: Your employer reimburses your hotel even though you’d be sleeping anyway because your place to sleep doesn’t exist in the place they’re sending you. They pay your meals because eating out is more expensive than eating at home and your food and kitchen at home doesn’t exist in the place they’re sending you and also traveling is a pain so you deserve to treat yourself a little. They don’t generally reimburse your laundry costs unless you have stay more days than one can reasonably carry clean clothes for in a standard suitcase. Your bathing needs come free with the hotel. I hope this helps you navigate the strange and confusing world we live in.

TeMPOraL 2y ago
Thank you for the explanation. It matches my experience of having been sent across the world on business trips that lasted a month per stay (yes, standard suitcase doesn't fit enough clean clothes for those). I don't see your problem with the comparisons. We don't have to hire people and train them for the job either. GPUs already exist and could be running something else than LLMs (say, crypto miners). I feel it's you who's having problems drawing boundaries to allow for an apples-to-apples comparison.
- relaxing 2y ago
  The people are there expensing energy even if you don’t hire them, but we can choose not to expend the energy to make an LLM. I don’t know how to explain it any more simply than that.