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"Removing my name from a document I have painstakingly labored over for three years and over two dozen drafts was not easy. Deciding to move on from an effort I

"Removing my name from a document I have painstakingly labored over for three years and over two dozen drafts was not easy. Deciding to move on from an effort I have led for over five years was agonizing." I feel like it's a safe investment to avoid anything that can bring about a decision that drastic.

reedlaw 14y ago
I don't see the connection. Should we avoid every open source project that was abandoned by one of its leaders? I think each spec/project should be evaluated according to its own merits rather than summarily judged based upon actions of certain associated parties.
- shock3naw 14y ago
  I highly doubt that most spec/project leaders abandon their projects because they consider it a 'professional disappointment.' I can't think of any such projects off the top of my head. On the contrary, I imagine that many feel that they have little left to contribute and want a fresher pair of hands to guide it forwards. Everything 'should' be judged on its own merits, but humans have a tendency to make snap judgements. We make them everyday when we see someone we've never met, or are introduced to someone new. To be fair, my statement was based on my personal opinion and feelings after reading Eran's piece. Perhaps OAuth 2 really is going to take off, but I can't imagine how terrible something would have to be to give up 3-5 years of my life's work. edit: To be clear, I should acknowledge that sometimes snap judgements are wrong. Sometimes they are right. But when we make them, we save ourselves the burden of exhaustively investigating _every_ possible technology, or that everyone might be a great person and friend. Eran's post was enough to convince me that I should stay away from OAuth 2 until convinced otherwise.
benatkin 14y ago
Well, participating in the OAuth 2.0 committee is what brought about that decision, not OAuth 2.0 itself. In fact Eran has a suggestion in that post under the "To Upgrade or Not to Upgrade" heading: look at what Facebook does and do that.
- wccrawford 14y ago
  Yes, but in the end, he's saying that he'd rather remove 5 years of his life from his resume than have his name on the monstrosity that that committee will be releasing. So back to the parent's post, why wouldn't you be wary of something that came from that situation if one of the primary creators doesn't even want his name involved with it?

reedlaw 14y ago

I don't see the connection. Should we avoid every open source project that was abandoned by one of its leaders? I think each spec/project should be evaluated according to its own merits rather than summarily judged based upon actions of certain associated parties.

shock3naw 14y ago
I highly doubt that most spec/project leaders abandon their projects because they consider it a 'professional disappointment.' I can't think of any such projects off the top of my head. On the contrary, I imagine that many feel that they have little left to contribute and want a fresher pair of hands to guide it forwards. Everything 'should' be judged on its own merits, but humans have a tendency to make snap judgements. We make them everyday when we see someone we've never met, or are introduced to someone new. To be fair, my statement was based on my personal opinion and feelings after reading Eran's piece. Perhaps OAuth 2 really is going to take off, but I can't imagine how terrible something would have to be to give up 3-5 years of my life's work. edit: To be clear, I should acknowledge that sometimes snap judgements are wrong. Sometimes they are right. But when we make them, we save ourselves the burden of exhaustively investigating _every_ possible technology, or that everyone might be a great person and friend. Eran's post was enough to convince me that I should stay away from OAuth 2 until convinced otherwise.

benatkin 14y ago

Well, participating in the OAuth 2.0 committee is what brought about that decision, not OAuth 2.0 itself. In fact Eran has a suggestion in that post under the "To Upgrade or Not to Upgrade" heading: look at what Facebook does and do that.

wccrawford 14y ago
Yes, but in the end, he's saying that he'd rather remove 5 years of his life from his resume than have his name on the monstrosity that that committee will be releasing. So back to the parent's post, why wouldn't you be wary of something that came from that situation if one of the primary creators doesn't even want his name involved with it?