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People are fundamentally good. It's just a few assholes that keep us from having nice things.

tbrownaw 2y ago
If only we got rid of <group>, we'd have a utopia because they wouldn't be around to ruin it. We could do this by putting them on the B ark.
saidinesh5 2y ago
You'd be surprised how insanely bad things people are willing to do, as long as you package those bad things as "for good". It's usually a few assholes that know how to change the definition of what's that "good" and get away with what they want.
- casey2 2y ago
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bilbo0s 2y ago
People are fundamentally good. No. A person is fundamentally good. People are responsible for most of the bad things that happen in human society. Including war.
- colechristensen 2y ago
  Long term, everything that happens in civilization happens with the consent of the people.
- tomkarho 2y ago
  "Person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals" - Agent K, Men In Black
ithkuil 2y ago
The two worldviews can be reconciled: people are generally good but a relatively few bad people turn the world in a dangerous place that requires counterbalancing in order to bring the stability needed for the majority of good people to thrive
ashoeafoot 2y ago
The people are not good, as soon as the shaping circumstances get ugly. If the world decides to run you out of life, because you are poor while the chunk of world society eats every day shrinks (aka resource window aka surplus bribe) very few will accept this. And as we have spent millenia in this situation,this cycle of strife , our gut instincts have developed to optimize society towards it. No science, No music, says gut. Just many offspring . No peace upon neighbours says gut, if war dont be civil. No mercy says gut, Gut willz it! And it must be divine, for its still inside and nore than instinctive gametheory with a wig. Imagine, you had a waking moment , stumbling back from the battlefield towards the vally of plenty. About being stuck in eldritch horrors, about how you could make, that good moment last forever if rocks were bread. How you could excise the horror from the history books. How some of home stumblers seem to miss their part of the horror already, adapted in mind towards their part of the loop. Never again says gut, the forever again, a exponential fly, bumping against the glass roof.All is gut with the world! Idealizations of reality prevents the handling of reality, thus feeds the beast, thus is a retardation .
matthewfelgate 2y ago
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almosthere 2y ago
I wholeheartedly disagree. The VAST majority of people are extremely greedy and will kill if necessary (when things get hard). It's only when things are good that people think people are fundamentally good. Trust me, if the power went out (permanently), it won't be many days before your wife says, ok, you can kill the neighbors and take their food storage. It might be 3 weeks - but in the end you will trust people so little that it will be extremely challenging to decide to come together as a community and grow food - which is the only way that it would work.

If only we got rid of <group>, we'd have a utopia because they wouldn't be around to ruin it. We could do this by putting them on the B ark.

saidinesh5 2y ago

You'd be surprised how insanely bad things people are willing to do, as long as you package those bad things as "for good". It's usually a few assholes that know how to change the definition of what's that "good" and get away with what they want.

casey2 2y ago
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bilbo0s 2y ago

People are fundamentally good. No. A person is fundamentally good. People are responsible for most of the bad things that happen in human society. Including war.

colechristensen 2y ago
Long term, everything that happens in civilization happens with the consent of the people.
tomkarho 2y ago
"Person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals" - Agent K, Men In Black

ithkuil 2y ago

The two worldviews can be reconciled: people are generally good but a relatively few bad people turn the world in a dangerous place that requires counterbalancing in order to bring the stability needed for the majority of good people to thrive

ashoeafoot 2y ago

The people are not good, as soon as the shaping circumstances get ugly. If the world decides to run you out of life, because you are poor while the chunk of world society eats every day shrinks (aka resource window aka surplus bribe) very few will accept this. And as we have spent millenia in this situation,this cycle of strife , our gut instincts have developed to optimize society towards it. No science, No music, says gut. Just many offspring . No peace upon neighbours says gut, if war dont be civil. No mercy says gut, Gut willz it! And it must be divine, for its still inside and nore than instinctive gametheory with a wig. Imagine, you had a waking moment , stumbling back from the battlefield towards the vally of plenty. About being stuck in eldritch horrors, about how you could make, that good moment last forever if rocks were bread. How you could excise the horror from the history books. How some of home stumblers seem to miss their part of the horror already, adapted in mind towards their part of the loop. Never again says gut, the forever again, a exponential fly, bumping against the glass roof.All is gut with the world! Idealizations of reality prevents the handling of reality, thus feeds the beast, thus is a retardation .

matthewfelgate 2y ago

almosthere 2y ago

I wholeheartedly disagree. The VAST majority of people are extremely greedy and will kill if necessary (when things get hard). It's only when things are good that people think people are fundamentally good. Trust me, if the power went out (permanently), it won't be many days before your wife says, ok, you can kill the neighbors and take their food storage. It might be 3 weeks - but in the end you will trust people so little that it will be extremely challenging to decide to come together as a community and grow food - which is the only way that it would work.