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Microsoft's New Business Plan

71 points by mef 14y ago

latch 14y ago
TL;DR - In the Risk Factors section of this years 10-K, Microsoft used the word "service" almost twice as much.
- dorian-graph 14y ago
  You made it up to paragraph ~ 11 out of ~ 30.
qatalo 14y ago
Too little, too late? While Microsoft fantasizing about an ecosystem to thrive on; there are plenty others that have an established footing and beyond. I have already put down my WP7 phone, not pleased that I cant upgrade to WP8. I am sure the MILLIONS of lumia owners will never pick up one again either.
- jblock 14y ago
  Not to nitpick or defend MS, but it sounds like they don't want to call it 8 unless it has all of the hardware features specified by 8 (like NFC). From what I understand it will get all of the new software benefits/features of Windows 8, just not in name.
  - simonh 14y ago
    Some of the features of Windows Phone 8 are being backported onto the Windows Phone 7 platform. It's not in any way shape or form a version or variant of Windows Phone 8 though.
    - aik 14y ago
      >> "It's not in any way shape or form a version or variant of Windows Phone 8 though." I wonder, how would you characterize WP8? Judging by the fact that very similar situations to this one have happened over and over again throughout history, I'm fairly sure that once Windows Phone 8 is out, people will forget very quickly that previous Lumia phones never supported WP8. They'll simply get excited about the current offerings and that's it. People aren't very good at holding grudges when a shiny new carrot is dangled in front of their face.
- rrreese 14y ago
  Microsoft has demonstrated again and again that they can enter a market late yet gain massive traction. They do this by being dogged and throwing money behind a project until it works. See for example I.E, XBox, and Outlook. All markets that they had no control of, all weak early products followed by a big push and then solid market penetration. That's not to say that it will happen this time with phones and tablets, but MS has a lot of money, a lot smart skilled developers and tenacity. It would be foolish to rule them out just yet.
  - mythz 14y ago
    This was possible in Microsoft's glory days before Google, Apple, Amazon became formidable forces - they've never seen smart and talented competitors like this where they're effectively rendered helpless - a distant competitor in each of these companys primary markets. Not only can't they compete, but they can't even maintain their own lead in these markets - as they've lost their dominant lead with Windows Mobile (which still has 2x market share than WP7) and Internet Explorer has recently conceded the most popular browser spot to Chrome. This is even after making these markets primary objectives where they shell out $1B a year to Nokia to be an exclusive WP7 Carrier. They've achieved their dominance in the PC world thanks partly to their open 3rd party hardware ecosystem. The problem is this model doesn't seem to translate well in the vertically integrated Smart Phone + Tablet market, and if they price Surface too aggressively it will effectively kill all incentives for their hardware partners to compete (and make any profit). It also doesn't help that Microsoft isn't a consumer brand, (e.g. its logo is dwarfed behind the XBOX moniker). All Microsoft's strength is in the enterprise space where the 2 cash cows that have ever really made them any money is Windows(+Server tools) & Office, effectively every other market they've entered have had marginal profits or have been massive loss leaders. They're stuck between the worlds most valuable company and a one of the worlds most loved brands giving away the mobile + tablet OS for free. I give them a small chance to be able to leverage Windows 8 to become the 2nd largest tablet provider (after iOS), but I'd say the best they can do with Windows Phone is #3. I wouldn't rule them out until they've still got their cash cows to fund their massive efforts - but take those away and they're another footnote in history.
    - 14y ago
- aik 14y ago
  >> I am sure the MILLIONS of lumia owners will never pick up one again either. People aren't very good at holding grudges when a shiny new carrot is dangled in front of their face. (Assuming the carrot is shiny -- only time will tell but signs are pointing to yes, it probably is sufficiently shiny.)
- rahoulb 14y ago
  Most people never upgrade the software on their phone (iPhones being the notable exception). Windows Phone 8 won't even be on their radar till their contract expires in 18 or 24 months.
  - evilduck 14y ago
    Prior to smartphones, sure, nobody updated them. I recall updating my WM6 to 6.5. Palm issued updates too. It's rarely an option for Android users though and WP7 users got the shaft. iPhones are the exception because Apple is currently the only one who has widely supported their products long enough for a software update to even exist.
- ctdonath 14y ago
  RIM owned mobile, Apple was derided when arriving late into a non-sequitur field, and Google - how did an ad-targeting search engine become a major OS competitor? We've seen amazing churn in tech of late. If MS has been paying attention, they could pull it off. (Then again, there's Zune and Kin.)
kanedank 14y ago
"Linux may be neutralized as a competitive threat" was his prediction based on last years 10-k. What world is this man living in? One where servers don't count, only direct consumer products?
- justincormack 14y ago
  Maybe their idea of "neutralized" was supporting it on Azure, in a bizarre way that is more neutral as it is more embraced...
- bergie 14y ago
  I suppose Android is not Linux in their view. But agreed that the current generation of desktop Linux isn't much of a threat.
  - tluyben2 14y ago
    Business desktops? Or? My parents run Android (it is Linux despite what MS thinks :) desktops; much easier to use. My business friends use bring-yourself iPads and Macbooks. I have to think hard to find someone who uses Windows. Maybe it's different in the US, but even in the village where I live where everyone is very non-tech and mostly poor, everyone uses Android or Ubuntu (because it's free, not because it's easier to use in this case) on their computers, phones and tablets. The simple reality now is (and that's why I think Windows 8 is a good idea but not radical enough) that Android and iOS are significantly easier to use for non-geek people. Windows is just hard; I am a programmer and gadget geek; when I sit behind Windows to compile for WP7 it always takes me a lot of time to find things and work around it's annoying interface. I can only imagine what people who do not have a tech background think about it. A simple example was a large migration I did for PwC.com in my country; that was a real eye-opener for me and it took this long (this was 10 years ago) to be an eye-opener for MS themselves. I interviewed people in that company and they all said the same thing; me: How do you start your word processor? employee: I click on Start, then 7 up (All Programs), then 3 down If the migration would MOVE word in a different place, people would need a course to know where to find it, and that's expensive and annoying for so many people. It came out the interview that it was of vital operating importance to leave all software in the same place in the start menu; the people didn't actually READ words as they simply didn't understand the concept. A huge button saying WORD PROCESSOR among a few program they actually USE would have helped much, so like iOS/Android/WP7-8 have... Another thing that came from the interviews (and from my experience with non technical people as well); people in Windows ONLY have one window open, fullscreen. Android/iOS/WP7-8. Not Windows <= 7; non tech people find the actual window concept confusing and annoying, so they just close the current window when they want to do something else.
taligent 14y ago
The number one priority for MS needs to be unifying the SDKs, app and payment platforms for Win8, WP8 and XBox Live. If developers were able to target all three with a single codebase it would be a game changer and I can easily see it being the number 2 development platform behind iOS.
- mariusmg 14y ago
  Never gonna happen (regarding the SDKs).Sure...some things might be somehow similar (XAML) but some codebase won't run on all 3 type of devices. Different things for different hardware. Only thinking at how inefficiently apps are build today make me shudder at running those things on a Xbox.
  - delinka 14y ago
    Please don't format your own comments like this. It's difficult to read on mobile devices.
    - freehunter 14y ago
      Heck, it's difficult to read on a desktop. Having horizontal scrollbars in the middle of the page is less than ideal.
- podperson 14y ago
  No, the number one priority is shipping a product that customers buy. As Apple has shown, developers will learn a new language, new API, and new toolchain if the customers are there. Heck, Microsoft proved it with Windows 3/95.
jamesaguilar 14y ago
I wonder how many times I've read "X isn't a hobby." about a company. Seems like Microsoft and Google are the target of that phrase far more often than most. Kinda sad what that says about the fickleness of the product management organizations in these companies.
mtgx 14y ago
I've never believed the theory that Microsoft is just making a "reference design" with the Surface. No. They are in this to make money with it, and compete heavily with their partners. If it was just a reference design, they wouldn't have kept their partners in the dark until the launch day like that, and piss them off. Valve and Blizzard are right. Everyone in the "PC space", watch out. Windows 8 is coming to destroy a lot of "PC" businesses, whether it's software or hardware related. I'm actually surprised many of their partners haven't figured it out yet, and are actually helping Microsoft kill their business by promoting Windows 8 heavily in the beginning. They're digging their own grave, just like HTC and Samsung kept WP7 alive for a year, only for Nokia to get all the credit and all the support from Microsoft with WP7, and they are, without realizing, helping Nokia, one of their former biggest competitors, make a comeback.
- Negitivefrags 14y ago
  If this is really the case, then for the sake of PC gaming, I sincerely hope that Windows 8 fails.
- rjtavares 14y ago
  The only good thing about Windows 8 is that it provides a huge opportunity for Valve to make a Linux based Steam box. I'd be all over that...
- zvrba 14y ago
  >Windows 8 is coming to destroy a lot of "PC" businesses Actually, this might be something positive if crapware (SW and HW) producers take most of the blow.
  - floppydisk 14y ago
    Commodity hardware, as we know it, grew up on the back of Windows. As MS transitions into their "lifestyle" phase, what will the effect of a reduction in crapware have on the prices of components for everyone else? If a significant number of component purchasers exit the market, the cost of iterating new technology will go up and we'll see prices go up or the rate of technological increase go down (or both).
velodrome 14y ago
I don't think OEMs should be worried about Microsoft going into hardware. At least in the near/medium term. Microsoft is trying to defend their turf from competitors. If they think they can lead the way (vs OEMs)...then let them. Microsoft is willing to take a little risk to push their platform. It is just adding a little more wood behind that arrow. Apple produces hardware. Google is in a position to produce hardware. Only makes sense for MS to do the same. Frankly, Microsoft needs the OEMs as much as the OEMs need Microsoft.
netcan 14y ago
I'd like to hear what Joel Spolsky has to say about this. He seems to get MS and their business.
eostyx 14y ago
Windows 7 is the last Microsoft OS I will buy. There's no way I'm supporting Microsoft anymore with these dangerous decisions they're making. I wish them all the best and that they see what damage they will do to everyone that supports/supported them.
- aik 14y ago
  Why is it bad to make big decisions, especially when an extremely flawed model that has been in place for the past ~20 years is finally changing? (Fear of change aside) To compare, Apple makes big decisions like this fairly often. People complain, get over it, and the world is usually a better place afterwards.
jpalomaki 14y ago
Microsoft could be using Surface to not only to force the manufacturers to create interesting products but to drive the prices down. I believe it is Microsoft's interest to get as wide adoption to Windows 8 tablets are possible. Even if means selling them with very thin margins (as Google seems to be doing with Nexus).
- dmethvin 14y ago
  It's more complicated than that. OEMs pay Microsoft for the OS, then take on the risk of trying to design and sell a product. The $35 or whatever OEMs pay for Windows 8 becomes part of their manufacturing costs. When Microsoft makes their own design, they essentially don't have that cost. Google can afford to sell at thin margins because they make most of their money off advertising. The more Android units out there, the more ads they can display. Microsoft hasn't yet cracked the post-sales revenue problem; once the OS is sold it goes into the hands of the OEM who tends to make their money off hardware upsells, crapware preinstalls, service contracts, etc. So, Microsoft can't discount their Windows 8 licenses to near-zero without the risk of making nothing on the deal. If you read further down into the article, I think that is what the "services" part of the 10-K is implying. Microsoft is looking for a way to slice off some of that post-sale revenue. An easy way to do that, obviously, is to make their own hardware, but it will be even more interesting to see how they transition from their OS-licensing revenue model to a post-sale-services revenue model.
jonnathanson 14y ago
The article makes a lot of reference to the importance of an integrated hardware/software platform for Win8. But XBox Live is the elephant in the room here. Quietly -- or not so quielty, depending on your perspective -- the XBox has become a behemoth in the entertainment world. Not just with video games, but with all forms of entertainment content (aside from music, which MSFT has never really been able to nail). Take, for instance, the interesting stat that over 60% of all Netflix streaming users stream via a gaming console. Or that close to half of all XBox owners watch one hour or more of TV or movie content per day through their consoles. Though it has formidable competitors in Amazon, Apple, and to some extent Google, Microsoft has a pretty impressive strategic position in the battle for the living room. The only chink in the armor has been mobile. That's why MSFT kept investing so heavily in Windows Phone, and why it's going to fight as hard as possible in the tablet space. Not owning mobile means not owning the total entertainment experience, which means not having a ubiquitous ecosystem. So mobile is pretty darned crucial here.
- podperson 14y ago
  I'm guessing your 60% figure is (a) accurate, and (b) from memory. If so, this is trending in the wrong direction for Microsoft: http://www.statisticbrain.com/netflix-statistics/ http://www.statisticbrain.com/netflix-statistics/ The figure quoted is 50%. Also bear in mind that it's not exclusive, and it's counting all supported game consoles (e.g. including the Nintendo Wii). My guess is that TVs with built-in Netflix streaming support and AppleTV (now outselling XBox http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/25/some-hobby-apple-tv-outsold-xbox-360-last-quarter/ http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/25/some-hobby-apple-tv-outso...) are hurting this. Given that XBox has been marginally successful as a business and was greatly dependent, for its success, on the dominance of the PC gaming platform, I don't think XBox is Microsoft's ace in the hole.
  - meta 14y ago
    Just as an anecdote: I used to stream my Netflix through my console (PS3) as my primary usage of said console. I got so frustrated with having to do Software Updates, seemly "every time I turn the bloody thing on!", just to launch the Netflix app that I went out and bought an AppleTV. My console is no longer even connected to a TV or power cable.
mmcconnell1618 14y ago
I think Azure is the sleeping giant that will allow MS to keep enterprise customers for decades to come. Heroku got traction because they made it dead simple for Rails developers to publish a web application. Azure has the potential to be the same kind of solution when linked with Visual Studio for the Microsoft stack. Amazon, Rackspace, Google, etc. don't own the entire stack from run time to developer tools to cloud hosting and that gives Microsoft a unique advantage. No, Azure won't be the best cloud solution. No, it won't be the cheapest solution. What it will be is just enough goodness to be like crack to millions of Microsoft developers. It won't be worth their time to figure out how to get running in any other cloud provider when Visual Studio has a "Deploy to cloud" button available. Microsoft will offer on-premise versions of Azure and some larger customers will adopt it but economies of scale will soon see 3rd party web hosting companies struggling for business. This is were the extra revenue for growth will come from. Microsoft will be making less on license sales and SPLA contracts in favor of locking in hosting revenue.
- caller9 14y ago
  Google app engine for Java has an Eclipse plugin. So you get a deploy to cloud button of sorts. I still had a distaste for the persistence layer (think hybernate + big tables) but it was easy to use.
  - edwinnathaniel 14y ago
    The problem with GAE is that it's not quite there yet when it comes to web-app development in Java. 1) Does not have Maven support 3rd party exist, but not from Google 2) As you said it: persistence layer/ORM mismatch with BigTable You could use Objectify but what are we talking about here: apps that use RDBMS or being dictate by Google what your app architecture should be? 3) Limitations imposed by GAE There was a time where if you use Spring Framework, once in a while GAE will throw exception due to longer bootstrapping time. Does not support all Java classes and keeping GAE up to date to the latest spec. What most Java developers want is to support Tomcat/TomEE/JavaEE5+6, deployment via Maven, with RDBMS and less restriction. Up until now, no one in the market (Heroku, CloudFoundry) do this (user-experience) well except Jelastic. Unfortunately Jelastic does not provide infrastructure; they provide the software and work with 3rd-party hosting provider for the infrastructure.

71 points by mef 14y ago

latch 14y ago

TL;DR - In the Risk Factors section of this years 10-K, Microsoft used the word "service" almost twice as much.

dorian-graph 14y ago
You made it up to paragraph ~ 11 out of ~ 30.

qatalo 14y ago

Too little, too late? While Microsoft fantasizing about an ecosystem to thrive on; there are plenty others that have an established footing and beyond. I have already put down my WP7 phone, not pleased that I cant upgrade to WP8. I am sure the MILLIONS of lumia owners will never pick up one again either.

jblock 14y ago
Not to nitpick or defend MS, but it sounds like they don't want to call it 8 unless it has all of the hardware features specified by 8 (like NFC). From what I understand it will get all of the new software benefits/features of Windows 8, just not in name.
- simonh 14y ago
  Some of the features of Windows Phone 8 are being backported onto the Windows Phone 7 platform. It's not in any way shape or form a version or variant of Windows Phone 8 though.
  - aik 14y ago
    >> "It's not in any way shape or form a version or variant of Windows Phone 8 though." I wonder, how would you characterize WP8? Judging by the fact that very similar situations to this one have happened over and over again throughout history, I'm fairly sure that once Windows Phone 8 is out, people will forget very quickly that previous Lumia phones never supported WP8. They'll simply get excited about the current offerings and that's it. People aren't very good at holding grudges when a shiny new carrot is dangled in front of their face.
rrreese 14y ago
Microsoft has demonstrated again and again that they can enter a market late yet gain massive traction. They do this by being dogged and throwing money behind a project until it works. See for example I.E, XBox, and Outlook. All markets that they had no control of, all weak early products followed by a big push and then solid market penetration. That's not to say that it will happen this time with phones and tablets, but MS has a lot of money, a lot smart skilled developers and tenacity. It would be foolish to rule them out just yet.
- mythz 14y ago
  This was possible in Microsoft's glory days before Google, Apple, Amazon became formidable forces - they've never seen smart and talented competitors like this where they're effectively rendered helpless - a distant competitor in each of these companys primary markets. Not only can't they compete, but they can't even maintain their own lead in these markets - as they've lost their dominant lead with Windows Mobile (which still has 2x market share than WP7) and Internet Explorer has recently conceded the most popular browser spot to Chrome. This is even after making these markets primary objectives where they shell out $1B a year to Nokia to be an exclusive WP7 Carrier. They've achieved their dominance in the PC world thanks partly to their open 3rd party hardware ecosystem. The problem is this model doesn't seem to translate well in the vertically integrated Smart Phone + Tablet market, and if they price Surface too aggressively it will effectively kill all incentives for their hardware partners to compete (and make any profit). It also doesn't help that Microsoft isn't a consumer brand, (e.g. its logo is dwarfed behind the XBOX moniker). All Microsoft's strength is in the enterprise space where the 2 cash cows that have ever really made them any money is Windows(+Server tools) & Office, effectively every other market they've entered have had marginal profits or have been massive loss leaders. They're stuck between the worlds most valuable company and a one of the worlds most loved brands giving away the mobile + tablet OS for free. I give them a small chance to be able to leverage Windows 8 to become the 2nd largest tablet provider (after iOS), but I'd say the best they can do with Windows Phone is #3. I wouldn't rule them out until they've still got their cash cows to fund their massive efforts - but take those away and they're another footnote in history.
  - 14y ago
aik 14y ago
>> I am sure the MILLIONS of lumia owners will never pick up one again either. People aren't very good at holding grudges when a shiny new carrot is dangled in front of their face. (Assuming the carrot is shiny -- only time will tell but signs are pointing to yes, it probably is sufficiently shiny.)
rahoulb 14y ago
Most people never upgrade the software on their phone (iPhones being the notable exception). Windows Phone 8 won't even be on their radar till their contract expires in 18 or 24 months.
- evilduck 14y ago
  Prior to smartphones, sure, nobody updated them. I recall updating my WM6 to 6.5. Palm issued updates too. It's rarely an option for Android users though and WP7 users got the shaft. iPhones are the exception because Apple is currently the only one who has widely supported their products long enough for a software update to even exist.
ctdonath 14y ago
RIM owned mobile, Apple was derided when arriving late into a non-sequitur field, and Google - how did an ad-targeting search engine become a major OS competitor? We've seen amazing churn in tech of late. If MS has been paying attention, they could pull it off. (Then again, there's Zune and Kin.)

kanedank 14y ago

"Linux may be neutralized as a competitive threat" was his prediction based on last years 10-k. What world is this man living in? One where servers don't count, only direct consumer products?

justincormack 14y ago
Maybe their idea of "neutralized" was supporting it on Azure, in a bizarre way that is more neutral as it is more embraced...
bergie 14y ago
I suppose Android is not Linux in their view. But agreed that the current generation of desktop Linux isn't much of a threat.
- tluyben2 14y ago
  Business desktops? Or? My parents run Android (it is Linux despite what MS thinks :) desktops; much easier to use. My business friends use bring-yourself iPads and Macbooks. I have to think hard to find someone who uses Windows. Maybe it's different in the US, but even in the village where I live where everyone is very non-tech and mostly poor, everyone uses Android or Ubuntu (because it's free, not because it's easier to use in this case) on their computers, phones and tablets. The simple reality now is (and that's why I think Windows 8 is a good idea but not radical enough) that Android and iOS are significantly easier to use for non-geek people. Windows is just hard; I am a programmer and gadget geek; when I sit behind Windows to compile for WP7 it always takes me a lot of time to find things and work around it's annoying interface. I can only imagine what people who do not have a tech background think about it. A simple example was a large migration I did for PwC.com in my country; that was a real eye-opener for me and it took this long (this was 10 years ago) to be an eye-opener for MS themselves. I interviewed people in that company and they all said the same thing; me: How do you start your word processor? employee: I click on Start, then 7 up (All Programs), then 3 down If the migration would MOVE word in a different place, people would need a course to know where to find it, and that's expensive and annoying for so many people. It came out the interview that it was of vital operating importance to leave all software in the same place in the start menu; the people didn't actually READ words as they simply didn't understand the concept. A huge button saying WORD PROCESSOR among a few program they actually USE would have helped much, so like iOS/Android/WP7-8 have... Another thing that came from the interviews (and from my experience with non technical people as well); people in Windows ONLY have one window open, fullscreen. Android/iOS/WP7-8. Not Windows <= 7; non tech people find the actual window concept confusing and annoying, so they just close the current window when they want to do something else.

taligent 14y ago

The number one priority for MS needs to be unifying the SDKs, app and payment platforms for Win8, WP8 and XBox Live. If developers were able to target all three with a single codebase it would be a game changer and I can easily see it being the number 2 development platform behind iOS.

mariusmg 14y ago
Never gonna happen (regarding the SDKs).Sure...some things might be somehow similar (XAML) but some codebase won't run on all 3 type of devices. Different things for different hardware. Only thinking at how inefficiently apps are build today make me shudder at running those things on a Xbox.
- delinka 14y ago
  Please don't format your own comments like this. It's difficult to read on mobile devices.
  - freehunter 14y ago
    Heck, it's difficult to read on a desktop. Having horizontal scrollbars in the middle of the page is less than ideal.
podperson 14y ago
No, the number one priority is shipping a product that customers buy. As Apple has shown, developers will learn a new language, new API, and new toolchain if the customers are there. Heck, Microsoft proved it with Windows 3/95.

jamesaguilar 14y ago

I wonder how many times I've read "X isn't a hobby." about a company. Seems like Microsoft and Google are the target of that phrase far more often than most. Kinda sad what that says about the fickleness of the product management organizations in these companies.

mtgx 14y ago

I've never believed the theory that Microsoft is just making a "reference design" with the Surface. No. They are in this to make money with it, and compete heavily with their partners. If it was just a reference design, they wouldn't have kept their partners in the dark until the launch day like that, and piss them off. Valve and Blizzard are right. Everyone in the "PC space", watch out. Windows 8 is coming to destroy a lot of "PC" businesses, whether it's software or hardware related. I'm actually surprised many of their partners haven't figured it out yet, and are actually helping Microsoft kill their business by promoting Windows 8 heavily in the beginning. They're digging their own grave, just like HTC and Samsung kept WP7 alive for a year, only for Nokia to get all the credit and all the support from Microsoft with WP7, and they are, without realizing, helping Nokia, one of their former biggest competitors, make a comeback.

Negitivefrags 14y ago
If this is really the case, then for the sake of PC gaming, I sincerely hope that Windows 8 fails.
rjtavares 14y ago
The only good thing about Windows 8 is that it provides a huge opportunity for Valve to make a Linux based Steam box. I'd be all over that...
zvrba 14y ago
>Windows 8 is coming to destroy a lot of "PC" businesses Actually, this might be something positive if crapware (SW and HW) producers take most of the blow.
- floppydisk 14y ago
  Commodity hardware, as we know it, grew up on the back of Windows. As MS transitions into their "lifestyle" phase, what will the effect of a reduction in crapware have on the prices of components for everyone else? If a significant number of component purchasers exit the market, the cost of iterating new technology will go up and we'll see prices go up or the rate of technological increase go down (or both).

velodrome 14y ago

I don't think OEMs should be worried about Microsoft going into hardware. At least in the near/medium term. Microsoft is trying to defend their turf from competitors. If they think they can lead the way (vs OEMs)...then let them. Microsoft is willing to take a little risk to push their platform. It is just adding a little more wood behind that arrow. Apple produces hardware. Google is in a position to produce hardware. Only makes sense for MS to do the same. Frankly, Microsoft needs the OEMs as much as the OEMs need Microsoft.

netcan 14y ago

I'd like to hear what Joel Spolsky has to say about this. He seems to get MS and their business.

eostyx 14y ago

Windows 7 is the last Microsoft OS I will buy. There's no way I'm supporting Microsoft anymore with these dangerous decisions they're making. I wish them all the best and that they see what damage they will do to everyone that supports/supported them.

aik 14y ago
Why is it bad to make big decisions, especially when an extremely flawed model that has been in place for the past ~20 years is finally changing? (Fear of change aside) To compare, Apple makes big decisions like this fairly often. People complain, get over it, and the world is usually a better place afterwards.

jpalomaki 14y ago

Microsoft could be using Surface to not only to force the manufacturers to create interesting products but to drive the prices down. I believe it is Microsoft's interest to get as wide adoption to Windows 8 tablets are possible. Even if means selling them with very thin margins (as Google seems to be doing with Nexus).

dmethvin 14y ago
It's more complicated than that. OEMs pay Microsoft for the OS, then take on the risk of trying to design and sell a product. The $35 or whatever OEMs pay for Windows 8 becomes part of their manufacturing costs. When Microsoft makes their own design, they essentially don't have that cost. Google can afford to sell at thin margins because they make most of their money off advertising. The more Android units out there, the more ads they can display. Microsoft hasn't yet cracked the post-sales revenue problem; once the OS is sold it goes into the hands of the OEM who tends to make their money off hardware upsells, crapware preinstalls, service contracts, etc. So, Microsoft can't discount their Windows 8 licenses to near-zero without the risk of making nothing on the deal. If you read further down into the article, I think that is what the "services" part of the 10-K is implying. Microsoft is looking for a way to slice off some of that post-sale revenue. An easy way to do that, obviously, is to make their own hardware, but it will be even more interesting to see how they transition from their OS-licensing revenue model to a post-sale-services revenue model.

jonnathanson 14y ago

The article makes a lot of reference to the importance of an integrated hardware/software platform for Win8. But XBox Live is the elephant in the room here. Quietly -- or not so quielty, depending on your perspective -- the XBox has become a behemoth in the entertainment world. Not just with video games, but with all forms of entertainment content (aside from music, which MSFT has never really been able to nail). Take, for instance, the interesting stat that over 60% of all Netflix streaming users stream via a gaming console. Or that close to half of all XBox owners watch one hour or more of TV or movie content per day through their consoles. Though it has formidable competitors in Amazon, Apple, and to some extent Google, Microsoft has a pretty impressive strategic position in the battle for the living room. The only chink in the armor has been mobile. That's why MSFT kept investing so heavily in Windows Phone, and why it's going to fight as hard as possible in the tablet space. Not owning mobile means not owning the total entertainment experience, which means not having a ubiquitous ecosystem. So mobile is pretty darned crucial here.

podperson 14y ago
I'm guessing your 60% figure is (a) accurate, and (b) from memory. If so, this is trending in the wrong direction for Microsoft: http://www.statisticbrain.com/netflix-statistics/ http://www.statisticbrain.com/netflix-statistics/ The figure quoted is 50%. Also bear in mind that it's not exclusive, and it's counting all supported game consoles (e.g. including the Nintendo Wii). My guess is that TVs with built-in Netflix streaming support and AppleTV (now outselling XBox http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/25/some-hobby-apple-tv-outsold-xbox-360-last-quarter/ http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/25/some-hobby-apple-tv-outso...) are hurting this. Given that XBox has been marginally successful as a business and was greatly dependent, for its success, on the dominance of the PC gaming platform, I don't think XBox is Microsoft's ace in the hole.
- meta 14y ago
  Just as an anecdote: I used to stream my Netflix through my console (PS3) as my primary usage of said console. I got so frustrated with having to do Software Updates, seemly "every time I turn the bloody thing on!", just to launch the Netflix app that I went out and bought an AppleTV. My console is no longer even connected to a TV or power cable.

mmcconnell1618 14y ago

I think Azure is the sleeping giant that will allow MS to keep enterprise customers for decades to come. Heroku got traction because they made it dead simple for Rails developers to publish a web application. Azure has the potential to be the same kind of solution when linked with Visual Studio for the Microsoft stack. Amazon, Rackspace, Google, etc. don't own the entire stack from run time to developer tools to cloud hosting and that gives Microsoft a unique advantage. No, Azure won't be the best cloud solution. No, it won't be the cheapest solution. What it will be is just enough goodness to be like crack to millions of Microsoft developers. It won't be worth their time to figure out how to get running in any other cloud provider when Visual Studio has a "Deploy to cloud" button available. Microsoft will offer on-premise versions of Azure and some larger customers will adopt it but economies of scale will soon see 3rd party web hosting companies struggling for business. This is were the extra revenue for growth will come from. Microsoft will be making less on license sales and SPLA contracts in favor of locking in hosting revenue.

caller9 14y ago
Google app engine for Java has an Eclipse plugin. So you get a deploy to cloud button of sorts. I still had a distaste for the persistence layer (think hybernate + big tables) but it was easy to use.
- edwinnathaniel 14y ago
  The problem with GAE is that it's not quite there yet when it comes to web-app development in Java. 1) Does not have Maven support 3rd party exist, but not from Google 2) As you said it: persistence layer/ORM mismatch with BigTable You could use Objectify but what are we talking about here: apps that use RDBMS or being dictate by Google what your app architecture should be? 3) Limitations imposed by GAE There was a time where if you use Spring Framework, once in a while GAE will throw exception due to longer bootstrapping time. Does not support all Java classes and keeping GAE up to date to the latest spec. What most Java developers want is to support Tomcat/TomEE/JavaEE5+6, deployment via Maven, with RDBMS and less restriction. Up until now, no one in the market (Heroku, CloudFoundry) do this (user-experience) well except Jelastic. Unfortunately Jelastic does not provide infrastructure; they provide the software and work with 3rd-party hosting provider for the infrastructure.