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Naive people think that people are fundamentally good. We need military, weapons and surveillance to keep people safe. Typically the naive people are just shel
by almosthere 2y ago
Naive people think that people are fundamentally good. We need military, weapons and surveillance to keep people safe.
Typically the naive people are just sheltered and/or young.
- benatkin 2y agoThat reminds me of this quote, modified: “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough robots stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” It’s got a bit different of a vibe from “Don’t be evil.”
- kelvinjps10 2y agoNo, it's typically old people that are pro military
- bilbo0s 2y agoJust where do all those young soldiers, sailors and pilots come from I wonder?
- pwdisswordfishz 2y agoPoverty.
- ghusto 2y agoYou're saying the same thing?
- JKCalhoun 2y agoPeople are fundamentally good. It's just a few assholes that keep us from having nice things.
- tbrownaw 2y agoIf only we got rid of <group>, we'd have a utopia because they wouldn't be around to ruin it. We could do this by putting them on the B ark.
- saidinesh5 2y agoYou'd be surprised how insanely bad things people are willing to do, as long as you package those bad things as "for good". It's usually a few assholes that know how to change the definition of what's that "good" and get away with what they want.
- casey2 2y ago[flagged]
- bilbo0s 2y agoPeople are fundamentally good. No. A person is fundamentally good. People are responsible for most of the bad things that happen in human society. Including war.
- colechristensen 2y agoLong term, everything that happens in civilization happens with the consent of the people.
- tomkarho 2y ago"Person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals" - Agent K, Men In Black
- ithkuil 2y agoThe two worldviews can be reconciled: people are generally good but a relatively few bad people turn the world in a dangerous place that requires counterbalancing in order to bring the stability needed for the majority of good people to thrive
- ashoeafoot 2y agoThe people are not good, as soon as the shaping circumstances get ugly. If the world decides to run you out of life, because you are poor while the chunk of world society eats every day shrinks (aka resource window aka surplus bribe) very few will accept this. And as we have spent millenia in this situation,this cycle of strife , our gut instincts have developed to optimize society towards it. No science, No music, says gut. Just many offspring . No peace upon neighbours says gut, if war dont be civil. No mercy says gut, Gut willz it! And it must be divine, for its still inside and nore than instinctive gametheory with a wig. Imagine, you had a waking moment , stumbling back from the battlefield towards the vally of plenty. About being stuck in eldritch horrors, about how you could make, that good moment last forever if rocks were bread. How you could excise the horror from the history books. How some of home stumblers seem to miss their part of the horror already, adapted in mind towards their part of the loop. Never again says gut, the forever again, a exponential fly, bumping against the glass roof.All is gut with the world! Idealizations of reality prevents the handling of reality, thus feeds the beast, thus is a retardation .
- matthewfelgate 2y ago5%
- almosthere 2y agoI wholeheartedly disagree. The VAST majority of people are extremely greedy and will kill if necessary (when things get hard). It's only when things are good that people think people are fundamentally good. Trust me, if the power went out (permanently), it won't be many days before your wife says, ok, you can kill the neighbors and take their food storage. It might be 3 weeks - but in the end you will trust people so little that it will be extremely challenging to decide to come together as a community and grow food - which is the only way that it would work.
- dummy1 2y agoNaive people think that things are the way they are because they need to be. We need education and to disincentivize evil to keep people safe. Typically the naive people are just pseudo-intellectuals and/or young.
- ghusto 2y ago> Naive people think that people are fundamentally good. We need military, weapons and surveillance to keep people safe. These two are not mutually exclusive. Being fundamentally good as a species doesn't mean that we would never do anything bad, or that psychopaths don't exist.
- like_any_other 2y agoNaive people think surveillance is there to keep them safe. Naive people think the ones using these new AI weapons will be the good guys, for good purposes.
- ashoeafoot 2y agoGovernments and states fall apart all the time . The chilling effect of the panopticon has been found to keep things more "pleasant" even in their absence. Google lynching statistics in africa and then hold the spread of smartphones besides that . Turns out vigilanteism is not so fun, if its recorded for all eternity .