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What exactly are you suggesting here? A standardized test that applies to all your job applications? Or, a candidate having to drive to a test center for every
by neofrommatrix 2y ago
What exactly are you suggesting here? A standardized test that applies to all your job applications? Or, a candidate having to drive to a test center for every company they apply to? Or something else?
- jarsin 2y agoStandardized plus the ability for companies to do their own test after they pass the standard one. So go get prescreened at test center then use that test to apply for jobs. Company either flys you in for in-person or sends you back to test center to do live remote interview in controlled environment.
- recursive 2y agoThat was essentially triplebyte.
- thaumasiotes 2y agoNo, that was Triplebyte's marketing. Their actual product was completely different.
- benatkin 2y agoThat was part of it. Another part was it being socially awkward in a way that I think outsourcing testing needn't be.
- AlexGizis 2y agoIt's been tried and failed: Sun Microsystems pushed certifications in the 90s. Pass the test on some technology, get the certification. Then they studied performance. The result? More certifications implied a worse employee. The reason was the top performing employees had no time to study for the exams, but the managers of the bottom performing employees were happy to send them off to training and testing. And then the certification fad came mostly to an end.
- jarsin 2y agoI always felt like the Sun and Cisco certs were more about creating people that would push their products on other companies. Big Tech / Unicorn / Wannabe Unicorn prescreens are all basically standardized now anyway.
- benatkin 2y agoThat was something quite different that got tried. This would be more based on aptitude rather than knowledge. Of course, they'd miss out on some good talent. But in the article where it shows the quote of someone getting rejected for not inverting a binary tree on a whiteboard, that doesn't seem like a terrible thing to test for.
- tonymet 2y agothe idea is sound. create a basic standardized test targeted at tech/engineering jobs. not actually SAT -- operated by a vendor like The College Board. There are plenty of standardized test operators
- renewiltord 2y agoThat’s what Triplebyte planned on. The truth is I don’t trust anyone else to run evals.
- tonymet 2y agoyou're right there are quality issues, some probably deliberate. but the screening cost for companies is eye watering so something should be done.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago> The truth is I don’t trust anyone else to run evals. It's a common sentiment. But compare https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/judgment-and-decision-making/article/belief-in-the-unstructured-interview-the-persistence-of-an-illusion/5BBA77932EF22EBEAA1E8020126A1925 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/judgment-and-decisio... . ("People predicting the future performance of college students state that interviewing the students aids prediction, although in fact the interviews make predictions less accurate.")
- renewiltord 2y agoWell, the people who read that are welcome to try that and outcompete me in the market. Triplebyte still exists.
- tokioyoyo 2y agoWhen I'm interviewing, I'm putting about 30% of the weight towards "would I enjoy working with this person on a daily basis?", but in the context of technical discussions. Standardized testing won't be able to replicate it.