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The streets of Manhattan are not “the rest of the US’s” streets to decide what to do with. The people voted for lower congestion, this is what the people that l

The streets of Manhattan are not “the rest of the US’s” streets to decide what to do with. The people voted for lower congestion, this is what the people that live there want. Correct, the exact idea is to put tolls on people who do not pay for or live on our streets.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
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- righthand 2y ago
  The streets of Manhattan are not an interstate even though they are poorly regulated as an interstate under antiquated law. This should rightly fall on the people that live there.
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    The streets of Manhattan are within spitting distance of the state border and contain a high volume of interstate traffic. There is nothing antiquated about regarding them as what they are.
    - righthand 2y ago
      The law is not about regulating property that is “close enough” it is about regulating interstate travel. Congestion pricing does not include the roads that would charge for interstate travel, only the roads within the city. Furthermore if the Potus wants revocation power of approvals then congress should grant the Potus that power. You don’t get to just make up powers that aren’t written down. That’s why the courts will stop this stupid meaningless revocation via memo.
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        > The law is not about regulating property that is “close enough” it is about regulating interstate travel. Congestion pricing does not include the roads that would charge for interstate travel, only the roads within the city. The concern is that "the roads within the city" are being used for interstate travel. People use roads in New Jersey to travel to the New Jersey / New York border and then use roads in New York to travel to their destination in New York; that's interstate travel. Their origin and destination are in different states. And in particular, their eligibility to vote is in a different state than the one imposing the fee, which is why there is a case for federal involvement. > Furthermore if the Potus wants revocation power of approvals then congress should grant the Potus that power. Which has already happened. There is a federal ban on tolls if you accept federal highway money (which everybody does) unless the federal government grants an exception, which they're now refusing to do.
        righthand 2y ago
        Okay but when you’re in Nyc you’re not traveling from NJ any longer, your interstate travel completes when you hit the west side highway. Interstate travel is the period while traveling from one state to the next. NJ has it’s own tolls. Ny did not put a toll on the west side highway. So you can exit back to NJ if you do not want to pay the toll exiting the interstate roads into the streets of Manhattan. The streets of Manhattan are not highways and are exempt from federal tolling laws. Even so, the program was already approved. The Potus does not have the power to defund federally approved programs. The basis that cp is violating laws is incorrect, it has followed them all even the laws that did not actually impact the roads that are being tolled (federal review).
        AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        > Okay but when you’re in Nyc you’re not traveling from NJ any longer, your interstate travel completes when you hit the west side highway. Interstate travel is when someone from New Jersey goes into New York (or vice versa). They're still from New Jersey the entire time they're in New York. > Ny did not put a toll on the west side highway. So you can exit back to NJ if you do not want to pay the toll exiting the interstate roads into the streets of Manhattan. There is no exit from I-76 onto the west side highway. All of the exits on the New York side of the line are to streets in the congestion zone. Moreover, the purpose of the highway is to bring people to lower Manhattan. Making the only path that isn't deterred a road that goes back out of the area would be defeating the purpose of the highway in bringing people there. > The streets of Manhattan are not highways and are exempt from federal tolling laws. Surrounding the highway on all sides by tolls is putting a toll on the highway. > Even so, the program was already approved. Approval is arguably a continuous thing, not a one-time thing. In general things that can be done through executive action can be undone through executive action. To do otherwise would have one administration binding the next even when they've just been voted out. > The Potus does not have the power to defund federally approved programs. But they're not approved anymore. Congress gave it to the executive branch to do the approving.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago

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righthand 2y ago
The streets of Manhattan are not an interstate even though they are poorly regulated as an interstate under antiquated law. This should rightly fall on the people that live there.
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  The streets of Manhattan are within spitting distance of the state border and contain a high volume of interstate traffic. There is nothing antiquated about regarding them as what they are.
  - righthand 2y ago
    The law is not about regulating property that is “close enough” it is about regulating interstate travel. Congestion pricing does not include the roads that would charge for interstate travel, only the roads within the city. Furthermore if the Potus wants revocation power of approvals then congress should grant the Potus that power. You don’t get to just make up powers that aren’t written down. That’s why the courts will stop this stupid meaningless revocation via memo.
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      > The law is not about regulating property that is “close enough” it is about regulating interstate travel. Congestion pricing does not include the roads that would charge for interstate travel, only the roads within the city. The concern is that "the roads within the city" are being used for interstate travel. People use roads in New Jersey to travel to the New Jersey / New York border and then use roads in New York to travel to their destination in New York; that's interstate travel. Their origin and destination are in different states. And in particular, their eligibility to vote is in a different state than the one imposing the fee, which is why there is a case for federal involvement. > Furthermore if the Potus wants revocation power of approvals then congress should grant the Potus that power. Which has already happened. There is a federal ban on tolls if you accept federal highway money (which everybody does) unless the federal government grants an exception, which they're now refusing to do.
      - righthand 2y ago
        Okay but when you’re in Nyc you’re not traveling from NJ any longer, your interstate travel completes when you hit the west side highway. Interstate travel is the period while traveling from one state to the next. NJ has it’s own tolls. Ny did not put a toll on the west side highway. So you can exit back to NJ if you do not want to pay the toll exiting the interstate roads into the streets of Manhattan. The streets of Manhattan are not highways and are exempt from federal tolling laws. Even so, the program was already approved. The Potus does not have the power to defund federally approved programs. The basis that cp is violating laws is incorrect, it has followed them all even the laws that did not actually impact the roads that are being tolled (federal review).
        AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        > Okay but when you’re in Nyc you’re not traveling from NJ any longer, your interstate travel completes when you hit the west side highway. Interstate travel is when someone from New Jersey goes into New York (or vice versa). They're still from New Jersey the entire time they're in New York. > Ny did not put a toll on the west side highway. So you can exit back to NJ if you do not want to pay the toll exiting the interstate roads into the streets of Manhattan. There is no exit from I-76 onto the west side highway. All of the exits on the New York side of the line are to streets in the congestion zone. Moreover, the purpose of the highway is to bring people to lower Manhattan. Making the only path that isn't deterred a road that goes back out of the area would be defeating the purpose of the highway in bringing people there. > The streets of Manhattan are not highways and are exempt from federal tolling laws. Surrounding the highway on all sides by tolls is putting a toll on the highway. > Even so, the program was already approved. Approval is arguably a continuous thing, not a one-time thing. In general things that can be done through executive action can be undone through executive action. To do otherwise would have one administration binding the next even when they've just been voted out. > The Potus does not have the power to defund federally approved programs. But they're not approved anymore. Congress gave it to the executive branch to do the approving.