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Republican Senators want this. It's not about statistics. They believe in this stupid Unitary Executive thing (aka, we should have a King).

by bagels 2y ago

masklinn 2y ago
They don’t actually believe in unitary executive theory, as can plainly be seen any time a democrat is elected president.
- rowanG077 2y ago
  I'm curious how do we know this? I don't plainly see this it all.
  - michaelt 2y ago
    I think masklinn is arguing that, if Republican senators truly believed the president should be an elected king with nigh-limitless power, then during Democrat administrations they would have been eager to approve anything the president put forward, as he was the president-king at that time. Whereas what we saw instead was them blocking everything they could, government shutdowns etc. Unless "Unitary Executive" means something a good deal more nuanced than the president being king, that is.
    - nerdponx 2y ago
      They do truly believe it, but only when a Republican is the sitting president.
    - crooked-v 2y ago
      They believe in it, but they also believe that all Democrats are actually filthy cheats who stole every election and thereby inherently illegitimate.
      - Sharlin 2y ago
        They don't believe that about Democrats. Maybe their constituency does, thanks to propaganda, but the politicians simply just want to be in power.
        i80and 2y ago
        Honestly I would be somewhat surprised if a good chunk of Congressional Republicans weren't high on their own supply at this point
        Sharlin 2y ago
        True, there are probably a bunch of true believers in the House. Doubt there are many in the Senate, however.
    - rowanG077 2y ago
      I don't think that follows at all. Republicans, just like every party really, do the best given the system they are in. They don't act as if they are in the hypothetical system they would like to have, it would be totally counterproductive to their goals. Think of it this way. I may be against paying taxes. That doesn't mean I just stop paying them. The best I can do is try to get the government to lower the taxes.
  - acomjean 2y ago
    It was a while ago. But late last century the "line item veto" which allowed presidents to get rid of things in bills they didn't like was rejected by the courts. Oddly Reagan (R) asked for this power initially, but Clinton (D) ended up getting it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto_in_the_United_S... "Congress granted this power to the president by the Line Item Veto Act of 1996 to control "pork barrel spending", but in 1998 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the act to be unconstitutional in 6–3 decision in Clinton v. City of New York. The court found that exercise of the line-item veto is tantamount to a unilateral amendment or repeal by the executive of only parts of statutes authorizing federal spending, and therefore violated the Presentment Clause of the United States Constitution. Thus a federal line-item veto, at least in this particular formulation, would only be possible through a constitutional amendment. Prior to that ruling, President Clinton applied the line-item veto to the federal budget 82 times."
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imglorp 2y ago
Disbanding of both the legislature and judiciary would be on any dictator's playbook from the last N centuries. I can't imagine either of those bodies would be ok with getting shuttered but it seems they are both pushing for it. Why?
- bagels 2y ago
  They get something out of it and lack of scruples? Money, influence, seeing their religious views pushed on others, who knows what else.
- tfigueroa 2y ago
  Many would be adjacent to the new ruler. The startup shutters but the VP of Engineering is already starting something new with his old reports.
philk10 2y ago
Perfect timing when he's just tweeted out that he is The King
- bagels 2y ago
  They created the circumstances where this could happen. It's a long term project. Supreme court picks, disenfranchisement, propaganda, refusing to hold Trump accountable for his crimes.
- fhdkweig 2y ago
  Just because it took me a while to find the reference: The full quote on Truth Social and Twitter is "CONGESTION PRICING IS DEAD. Manhattan, and all of New York, is SAVED. LONG LIVE THE KING!" https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114032082899254855 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1140320828992...

Republican Senators want this. It's not about statistics. They believe in this stupid Unitary Executive thing (aka, we should have a King).

by bagels 2y ago

Republican Senators want this. It's not about statistics. They believe in this stupid Unitary Executive thing (aka, we should have a King).

masklinn 2y ago

They don’t actually believe in unitary executive theory, as can plainly be seen any time a democrat is elected president.

rowanG077 2y ago
I'm curious how do we know this? I don't plainly see this it all.
- michaelt 2y ago
  I think masklinn is arguing that, if Republican senators truly believed the president should be an elected king with nigh-limitless power, then during Democrat administrations they would have been eager to approve anything the president put forward, as he was the president-king at that time. Whereas what we saw instead was them blocking everything they could, government shutdowns etc. Unless "Unitary Executive" means something a good deal more nuanced than the president being king, that is.
  - nerdponx 2y ago
    They do truly believe it, but only when a Republican is the sitting president.
  - crooked-v 2y ago
    They believe in it, but they also believe that all Democrats are actually filthy cheats who stole every election and thereby inherently illegitimate.
    - Sharlin 2y ago
      They don't believe that about Democrats. Maybe their constituency does, thanks to propaganda, but the politicians simply just want to be in power.
      - i80and 2y ago
        Honestly I would be somewhat surprised if a good chunk of Congressional Republicans weren't high on their own supply at this point
        Sharlin 2y ago
        True, there are probably a bunch of true believers in the House. Doubt there are many in the Senate, however.
  - rowanG077 2y ago
    I don't think that follows at all. Republicans, just like every party really, do the best given the system they are in. They don't act as if they are in the hypothetical system they would like to have, it would be totally counterproductive to their goals. Think of it this way. I may be against paying taxes. That doesn't mean I just stop paying them. The best I can do is try to get the government to lower the taxes.
- acomjean 2y ago
  It was a while ago. But late last century the "line item veto" which allowed presidents to get rid of things in bills they didn't like was rejected by the courts. Oddly Reagan (R) asked for this power initially, but Clinton (D) ended up getting it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto_in_the_United_S... "Congress granted this power to the president by the Line Item Veto Act of 1996 to control "pork barrel spending", but in 1998 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the act to be unconstitutional in 6–3 decision in Clinton v. City of New York. The court found that exercise of the line-item veto is tantamount to a unilateral amendment or repeal by the executive of only parts of statutes authorizing federal spending, and therefore violated the Presentment Clause of the United States Constitution. Thus a federal line-item veto, at least in this particular formulation, would only be possible through a constitutional amendment. Prior to that ruling, President Clinton applied the line-item veto to the federal budget 82 times."
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imglorp 2y ago

Disbanding of both the legislature and judiciary would be on any dictator's playbook from the last N centuries. I can't imagine either of those bodies would be ok with getting shuttered but it seems they are both pushing for it. Why?

bagels 2y ago
They get something out of it and lack of scruples? Money, influence, seeing their religious views pushed on others, who knows what else.
tfigueroa 2y ago
Many would be adjacent to the new ruler. The startup shutters but the VP of Engineering is already starting something new with his old reports.

philk10 2y ago

Perfect timing when he's just tweeted out that he is The King

bagels 2y ago
They created the circumstances where this could happen. It's a long term project. Supreme court picks, disenfranchisement, propaganda, refusing to hold Trump accountable for his crimes.
fhdkweig 2y ago
Just because it took me a while to find the reference: The full quote on Truth Social and Twitter is "CONGESTION PRICING IS DEAD. Manhattan, and all of New York, is SAVED. LONG LIVE THE KING!" https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114032082899254855 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1140320828992...