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OK, but it has to be a US highway (or Interstate) for that to work, doesn't it? If the state built the road, the federal government doesn't get to yell "establ

OK, but it has to be a US highway (or Interstate) for that to work, doesn't it? If the state built the road, the federal government doesn't get to yell "establishing post roads" and suddenly start dictating the rules.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
It is though. New York is the intersection of several interstate highways and the rule is a condition of federal highway funding.
- kccqzy 2y ago
  The interstate highway in Manhattan is located much further north, between George Washington bridge and Alexander Hamilton bridge. It's far away from the congestion zone.
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    You're referring to I-95. There is also I-78, I-478, I-278, I-495, etc. And even I-95 is only 6 miles away. It's hardly so far away that nobody would be coming from there.
    - nobody9999 2y ago
      And none of those roads exist within the congestion zone. In fact, as long as you remain on the highways (The West Side Highway and FDR drives -- both of which are local/state roads) on the periphery of the zone, you pay no fee. Which makes your argument completely specious since there are no Interstate highways within the confines of the congestion zone.
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        They go directly into the congestion zone. I-78 goes through the Holland Tunnel and drops you out in lower Manhattan. Once you're in New York, every exit is in the congestion zone until the end of the highway. Moreover, the highway's purpose is to carry people into Manhattan. Discouraging people from using the interstate highway to go to New York is the thing to be prevented.
        nobody9999 2y ago
        >They go directly into the congestion zone. I-78 goes through the Holland Tunnel and drops you out in lower Manhattan. Once you're in New York, every exit is in the congestion zone until the end of the highway. Don't want to go into the congestion zone? Take the GW Bridge or Battery tunnel. Otherwise, pay up ya cheap bastard! >Moreover, the highway's purpose is to carry people into Manhattan. Discouraging people from using the interstate highway to go to New York is the thing to be prevented. Boo hoo! If NJ folks never come to Manhattan (by whatever means) it will be too many. Take the train or the bus or pay up ya cheap bastard. tl;dr: Leave your car at home.
        AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        > Don't want to go into the congestion zone? Take the GW Bridge or Battery tunnel. They do want to go there. They want to use the federally-funded interstate highway to go to the place their tax dollars paid for it to go, and which they have the right as a citizen of the US to travel to, without being deterred from using it by local politicians discriminating against out-of-state people who can't vote against them. > If NJ folks never come to Manhattan (by whatever means) it will be too many. I feel like you're just making my point for me now.
        nobody9999 2y ago
        >They do want to go there. Of course they do. And they need to respect the wishes, and more importantly, the laws and regulations within those political boundaries. Manhattan isn't a playground for entitled jackasses like you. It's home to 1,000,000 human beings. Do you have so little respect for your fellow Americans that you will happily pollute their homes with noxious gases, noise and the stench of automobiles? I'd also note that you aren't making the same argument about the toll roads in New Jersey. Heck, if I use those roads I'm almost certainly not going anywhere in New Jersey. Which is distinct from a specific destination. I find your apparent lack of self awareness and disdain for your fellow humans disgusting. Have a nice day. Edit: Fixed typo.
        2y ago
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  So New York City doesn't get to impose tolls on a Federal highway without the federal government's agreement? That sounds... actually reasonable.
  - nobody9999 2y ago
    >So New York City doesn't get to impose tolls on a Federal highway without the federal government's agreement? That sounds... actually reasonable. And they aren't trying to do so. Unless I'm missing something important. Please explain where, within the congestion pricing zone (From 60th street to the Battery, there are Federal highways. I'll save you the trouble: They don't exist.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago

It is though. New York is the intersection of several interstate highways and the rule is a condition of federal highway funding.

kccqzy 2y ago
The interstate highway in Manhattan is located much further north, between George Washington bridge and Alexander Hamilton bridge. It's far away from the congestion zone.
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  You're referring to I-95. There is also I-78, I-478, I-278, I-495, etc. And even I-95 is only 6 miles away. It's hardly so far away that nobody would be coming from there.
  - nobody9999 2y ago
    And none of those roads exist within the congestion zone. In fact, as long as you remain on the highways (The West Side Highway and FDR drives -- both of which are local/state roads) on the periphery of the zone, you pay no fee. Which makes your argument completely specious since there are no Interstate highways within the confines of the congestion zone.
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      They go directly into the congestion zone. I-78 goes through the Holland Tunnel and drops you out in lower Manhattan. Once you're in New York, every exit is in the congestion zone until the end of the highway. Moreover, the highway's purpose is to carry people into Manhattan. Discouraging people from using the interstate highway to go to New York is the thing to be prevented.
      - nobody9999 2y ago
        >They go directly into the congestion zone. I-78 goes through the Holland Tunnel and drops you out in lower Manhattan. Once you're in New York, every exit is in the congestion zone until the end of the highway. Don't want to go into the congestion zone? Take the GW Bridge or Battery tunnel. Otherwise, pay up ya cheap bastard! >Moreover, the highway's purpose is to carry people into Manhattan. Discouraging people from using the interstate highway to go to New York is the thing to be prevented. Boo hoo! If NJ folks never come to Manhattan (by whatever means) it will be too many. Take the train or the bus or pay up ya cheap bastard. tl;dr: Leave your car at home.
        AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        > Don't want to go into the congestion zone? Take the GW Bridge or Battery tunnel. They do want to go there. They want to use the federally-funded interstate highway to go to the place their tax dollars paid for it to go, and which they have the right as a citizen of the US to travel to, without being deterred from using it by local politicians discriminating against out-of-state people who can't vote against them. > If NJ folks never come to Manhattan (by whatever means) it will be too many. I feel like you're just making my point for me now.
        nobody9999 2y ago
        >They do want to go there. Of course they do. And they need to respect the wishes, and more importantly, the laws and regulations within those political boundaries. Manhattan isn't a playground for entitled jackasses like you. It's home to 1,000,000 human beings. Do you have so little respect for your fellow Americans that you will happily pollute their homes with noxious gases, noise and the stench of automobiles? I'd also note that you aren't making the same argument about the toll roads in New Jersey. Heck, if I use those roads I'm almost certainly not going anywhere in New Jersey. Which is distinct from a specific destination. I find your apparent lack of self awareness and disdain for your fellow humans disgusting. Have a nice day. Edit: Fixed typo.
        2y ago
AnimalMuppet 2y ago
So New York City doesn't get to impose tolls on a Federal highway without the federal government's agreement? That sounds... actually reasonable.
- nobody9999 2y ago
  >So New York City doesn't get to impose tolls on a Federal highway without the federal government's agreement? That sounds... actually reasonable. And they aren't trying to do so. Unless I'm missing something important. Please explain where, within the congestion pricing zone (From 60th street to the Battery, there are Federal highways. I'll save you the trouble: They don't exist.