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I think it was definitely bad that Joe held on so long before letting Kamala run but incumbents lost globally[0], not just here in the US. People aren't happy w

I think it was definitely bad that Joe held on so long before letting Kamala run but incumbents lost globally[0], not just here in the US. People aren't happy with the effects COVID had, which is valid, but misplaced the blame which is how we got here. [0]: https://apnews.com/article/global-elections-2024-incumbents-defeated-c80fbd4e667de86fe08aac025b333f95 https://apnews.com/article/global-elections-2024-incumbents-...

troupo 2y ago
It's definitely bad that Democrats could not come up with a single candidate, and a strategy for that candidate, but held on to Biden and then presented Kamala as a saviour when she was a meh candidate at best
- beezlebroxxxxxx 2y ago
  They need to hold an actual primary.
- neaden 2y ago
  Who are the "Democrats" that you are talking about? No one held on to Joe Biden, he was president and decided he was going to run for re-election. No one seriously ran against him because people generally don't try to run against a sitting president in a primary and if they had they would have almost certainly lost in a landslide. Biden didn't need anyone's permission to run, and no one could have stopped him from running. Then he dropped out and endorsed Harris no credible person attempted to run against her. There is no secret party leadership who decides on the candidate that we can now blame, and besides some of the efforts to convince Biden to drop out everything was done very publicly.
  - troupo 2y ago
    > Who are the "Democrats" that you are talking about? ... > No one seriously ran against him > Then he dropped out and endorsed Harris no credible person attempted to run against her.
watwut 2y ago
It is not just a case of people misplacing the blame. There was massive amount of lying and demonization of anyone not conservative right going on. There was a lot of fearmongering and hate ... all enabled by "moderates". The movements like these did not just happened because people were unhappy. They are result of long political project that was enabled, excused and defended for years.

troupo 2y ago

It's definitely bad that Democrats could not come up with a single candidate, and a strategy for that candidate, but held on to Biden and then presented Kamala as a saviour when she was a meh candidate at best

beezlebroxxxxxx 2y ago
They need to hold an actual primary.
neaden 2y ago
Who are the "Democrats" that you are talking about? No one held on to Joe Biden, he was president and decided he was going to run for re-election. No one seriously ran against him because people generally don't try to run against a sitting president in a primary and if they had they would have almost certainly lost in a landslide. Biden didn't need anyone's permission to run, and no one could have stopped him from running. Then he dropped out and endorsed Harris no credible person attempted to run against her. There is no secret party leadership who decides on the candidate that we can now blame, and besides some of the efforts to convince Biden to drop out everything was done very publicly.
- troupo 2y ago
  > Who are the "Democrats" that you are talking about? ... > No one seriously ran against him > Then he dropped out and endorsed Harris no credible person attempted to run against her.

watwut 2y ago

It is not just a case of people misplacing the blame. There was massive amount of lying and demonization of anyone not conservative right going on. There was a lot of fearmongering and hate ... all enabled by "moderates". The movements like these did not just happened because people were unhappy. They are result of long political project that was enabled, excused and defended for years.