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If you're taking 'post roads' to mean the federal government has control over every single road across the US that is an insane overreach of federal power. Espe

If you're taking 'post roads' to mean the federal government has control over every single road across the US that is an insane overreach of federal power. Especially when it is specifically enumerated for the sake of delivering mail and has nothing to do with other use.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
They have the power to build post roads, which have always been general purpose roads used by everyone and in modern times it means federally-funded interstate highways. But those are the roads that go from New Jersey to Manhattan.
- fzeroracer 2y ago
  Where do you think the congestion rates were being applied?
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    At the offramps of interstate highways.
    - fzeroracer 2y ago
      Correct, so how does your post road logic apply when the toll is for entering roads constructed by and maintained by the state?
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        "We're not tolling the highway, we're just tolling the cars that come from the highway" is an obvious attempt to defeat the purpose of the rule.
        fzeroracer 2y ago
        No, it's not. It's a toll on entering the area period, whether from highway or from 60th street. You can still fully use the highway, including getting around the area in question. I'm not even from NYC and it took all of two minutes to identify how the congestion relief zone works, who it applies to and who it does not. You can make the argument that it's unfair or a regressive tax. But that is not an argument for the federal government to make or interfere with, that is local policy. Especially not when clearly using federal overreach as a bludgeon to force them to comply.
        AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        > It's a toll on entering the area period The issue is that not only some but disproportionately many of the people being deterred from entering the area are from outside the jurisdiction, so their only representation is at the federal level. Notice also that "entering the area" is the thing people not from the area do. If you want to be in Manhattan and you live in Manhattan you're already there.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago

They have the power to build post roads, which have always been general purpose roads used by everyone and in modern times it means federally-funded interstate highways. But those are the roads that go from New Jersey to Manhattan.

fzeroracer 2y ago
Where do you think the congestion rates were being applied?
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  At the offramps of interstate highways.
  - fzeroracer 2y ago
    Correct, so how does your post road logic apply when the toll is for entering roads constructed by and maintained by the state?
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      "We're not tolling the highway, we're just tolling the cars that come from the highway" is an obvious attempt to defeat the purpose of the rule.
      - fzeroracer 2y ago
        No, it's not. It's a toll on entering the area period, whether from highway or from 60th street. You can still fully use the highway, including getting around the area in question. I'm not even from NYC and it took all of two minutes to identify how the congestion relief zone works, who it applies to and who it does not. You can make the argument that it's unfair or a regressive tax. But that is not an argument for the federal government to make or interfere with, that is local policy. Especially not when clearly using federal overreach as a bludgeon to force them to comply.
        AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        > It's a toll on entering the area period The issue is that not only some but disproportionately many of the people being deterred from entering the area are from outside the jurisdiction, so their only representation is at the federal level. Notice also that "entering the area" is the thing people not from the area do. If you want to be in Manhattan and you live in Manhattan you're already there.