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Are they actually doing anything to improve processes or are they just firing people without changing how the agencies work? Doing it by end of day without sev

Are they actually doing anything to improve processes or are they just firing people without changing how the agencies work? Doing it by end of day without severance seems unnecessarily cruel. And the director is a coward if he didn't attend the meeting.

bongodongobob 2y ago
Just firing people with 0 research or understanding. To do an actual audit would take a team months at least.
- cogman10 2y ago
  Not something some racist teenagers that told elon he's good at computer games are apt to do.
- cyberge99 2y ago
  Government is supposed to move slowly.
  - bongodongobob 2y ago
    Exactly.
throw0101c 2y ago
> Doing it by end of day without severance seems unnecessarily cruel. The Cruelty Is the Point: * https://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/ https://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive... * https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/665171/the-cruelty-is-the-point-by-adam-serwer/ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/665171/the-cruelty-... > “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” she said of Mr. Trump. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.” * https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/florida-government-shutdown-marianna.html https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/flo...
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  I'd have more sympathy if you didn't want him to hurt (other) people.
foobarchu 2y ago
No, they aren't doing anything to improve anything. They aren't even using real criteria, instead just firing anyone whose been in their current position for less than some time. That means a lot of very senior people who happened to take promotions or transfers are being fired willy nilly. From what I've seen (I know multiple people at places directly affected by this), the justification is "poor performance", which is clearly nonsense as theres been no time for that kind of evaluation and the actual criteria is obvious (probationary or not). The effects on unemployment here will be absolutely unprecedented, given how many very smart, otherwise successful people are being punted. It has also killed morale at any and all government agencies and companies that work with them (pretty clearly the point, imo). Everyone knows making the entire workforce depressed and fearful helps productivity! In case it seems like these people at all know what they're doing: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doge-firings-us-nuclear-weapons-workers-reversing/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doge-firings-us-nuclear-weapons...
- jrs235 2y ago
  I believe Musk is a Russian agent.
  - CoastalCoder 2y ago
    I'm trying to have a sober and thoughtful view on this topic. But I genuinely cannot decide if it's likely that Trump's re-election and/or current behavior are the result of Chinese / Russian operations. I guess the question is somewhat academic, given the scale of damage that Trump, Musk, et al are inflicting on national security.
    - fuzzfactor 2y ago
      You have to figure whether there is anybody out there who would reward Trump most handsomely if he succeeds in destroying American economic advantage. Musk is on the bandwagon now, are there really that many organizations or individual decision makers who have the resources to make him more fabulously rich than he already is? And are these in the same camp and are they aligned in any way? If Ronald Reagan were alive today he would surely be condemning Trump as a flat-out communist, and not just a commie sympathizer as a softer reaction to his first term. Plus, is there a counter-party who can make Trump a better offer if he were to refrain from applying his legendary bankruptcy-prone financial misdeeds to the country as a whole? After all this would realistically be his last chance for sure this time. Remember when Trump goes bankrupt, he says how great he did because other people lost more :(

bongodongobob 2y ago

Just firing people with 0 research or understanding. To do an actual audit would take a team months at least.

cogman10 2y ago
Not something some racist teenagers that told elon he's good at computer games are apt to do.
cyberge99 2y ago
Government is supposed to move slowly.
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  Exactly.

throw0101c 2y ago

> Doing it by end of day without severance seems unnecessarily cruel. The Cruelty Is the Point: * https://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/ https://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive... * https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/665171/the-cruelty-is-the-point-by-adam-serwer/ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/665171/the-cruelty-... > “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” she said of Mr. Trump. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.” * https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/florida-government-shutdown-marianna.html https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/flo...

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
I'd have more sympathy if you didn't want him to hurt (other) people.

foobarchu 2y ago

No, they aren't doing anything to improve anything. They aren't even using real criteria, instead just firing anyone whose been in their current position for less than some time. That means a lot of very senior people who happened to take promotions or transfers are being fired willy nilly. From what I've seen (I know multiple people at places directly affected by this), the justification is "poor performance", which is clearly nonsense as theres been no time for that kind of evaluation and the actual criteria is obvious (probationary or not). The effects on unemployment here will be absolutely unprecedented, given how many very smart, otherwise successful people are being punted. It has also killed morale at any and all government agencies and companies that work with them (pretty clearly the point, imo). Everyone knows making the entire workforce depressed and fearful helps productivity! In case it seems like these people at all know what they're doing: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doge-firings-us-nuclear-weapons-workers-reversing/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doge-firings-us-nuclear-weapons...

jrs235 2y ago
I believe Musk is a Russian agent.
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  I'm trying to have a sober and thoughtful view on this topic. But I genuinely cannot decide if it's likely that Trump's re-election and/or current behavior are the result of Chinese / Russian operations. I guess the question is somewhat academic, given the scale of damage that Trump, Musk, et al are inflicting on national security.
  - fuzzfactor 2y ago
    You have to figure whether there is anybody out there who would reward Trump most handsomely if he succeeds in destroying American economic advantage. Musk is on the bandwagon now, are there really that many organizations or individual decision makers who have the resources to make him more fabulously rich than he already is? And are these in the same camp and are they aligned in any way? If Ronald Reagan were alive today he would surely be condemning Trump as a flat-out communist, and not just a commie sympathizer as a softer reaction to his first term. Plus, is there a counter-party who can make Trump a better offer if he were to refrain from applying his legendary bankruptcy-prone financial misdeeds to the country as a whole? After all this would realistically be his last chance for sure this time. Remember when Trump goes bankrupt, he says how great he did because other people lost more :(