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That is very much not true. He wrote a hysterical philippic [1] just before the election calling Trump a fascist, which was written with about the same level o

That is very much not true. He wrote a hysterical philippic [1] just before the election calling Trump a fascist, which was written with about the same level of historical rigour as the Paul Krugman's rants exhibit for economics. You may argue that "Trump is a fascist" and you are entitled to that view, but that is not a centrist view, and is at odds with the majority of the US population, which voted for Trump. [1] https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/ https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-...

swasheck 2y ago
generally speaking he is decidedly centrist in his historical perspectives. it is uncritical to paint in broad strokes over a post, or two, in which he uses historical analysis to communicate a progressive perspective that warns against the danger(s) of an incoming administration
- gadders 2y ago
  >>it is uncritical to paint in broad strokes over a post, or two, in which he uses historical analysis to communicate a progressive perspective There have only been a couple of posts where he discusses current politics, so that is all I have to go on. However, from reading his material, I think it would be fair to say he is against the "great man of history" theory, which tends to be a more left wing interpretation.
cess11 2y ago
In this poll, https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-fascist-concerns-poll/story?id=115083795 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-fascist-concern... , so called centrists overwhelmingly said he is. The majority of the US population did not vote for him. Only a portion could vote, and only a portion of those voted, and out of those 49.9% voted for him.
- gadders 2y ago
  Also ironic to nit pick about Trump not having a majority and then quote a poll that queried only 2800 people.
- gadders 2y ago
  Pointless pedantry. I think you know what is meant by a majority in an election. He won the popular vote. I'm obviously not including toddlers etc in my statement.
  - triceratops 2y ago
    > I think you know what is meant by a majority in an election. I thought I did. But now I'm learning that 49-something percent is a majority, so I'm questioning all my beliefs.
  - cess11 2y ago
    Perhaps, but I'm not interested in making a point. I'm interested in discovering why it's not important to you to describe the election result precisely. What was the participation? 60% or so? I think so. So maybe 30-35% of the people who could have voted for him actually did. In the US population large portions are unable to vote. You correctly pointed out the very young, but also the pre-adolescent young, the disobedient, the non-citizen, the precarious worker, the infirm and so on should also be included. So the majority you had in mind is rather small compared to what you literally compared it to. I'm guessing the result feels like 'the will of the people' to you anyway? Do you feel like most usians approved of the current regime? Do you also think that 'the will of the people' is inherently democratic? Inherently good, even?
    - gadders 2y ago
      I think the description I gave is consistent with the one used when Democrats get the "majority" of the vote. You can sealion the definition as much as you like, but it won't make you right. The result feels as much the will of the people as any other US election result.
      - cess11 2y ago
        I think you've dreamed that but feel free to showcase some examples to prove me wrong.
giraffe_lady 2y ago
Are you trying to assert that fascism can't be popular? He pretty clearly stated the criteria and how he considers trump's movement in respect to them. You can refute the point¹ but you haven't, merely stating you disagree with them based on the popular vote. ¹ Not to me, I won't read it. I don't care and I've heard enough fascism apologetics on HN in the last few years.
- gadders 2y ago
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lolinder 2y ago
It's not hysterical, it's very well reasoned and actually persuaded me, someone who's decidedly centrist.
- gadders 2y ago
  Then you need to check some of his sources better.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    You need to provide better arguments than telling your interlocutor to check sources. This is just FUD unless you have concrete facts to share that make him wrong.

swasheck 2y ago

generally speaking he is decidedly centrist in his historical perspectives. it is uncritical to paint in broad strokes over a post, or two, in which he uses historical analysis to communicate a progressive perspective that warns against the danger(s) of an incoming administration

gadders 2y ago
>>it is uncritical to paint in broad strokes over a post, or two, in which he uses historical analysis to communicate a progressive perspective There have only been a couple of posts where he discusses current politics, so that is all I have to go on. However, from reading his material, I think it would be fair to say he is against the "great man of history" theory, which tends to be a more left wing interpretation.

cess11 2y ago

In this poll, https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-fascist-concerns-poll/story?id=115083795 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-fascist-concern... , so called centrists overwhelmingly said he is. The majority of the US population did not vote for him. Only a portion could vote, and only a portion of those voted, and out of those 49.9% voted for him.

gadders 2y ago
Also ironic to nit pick about Trump not having a majority and then quote a poll that queried only 2800 people.
gadders 2y ago
Pointless pedantry. I think you know what is meant by a majority in an election. He won the popular vote. I'm obviously not including toddlers etc in my statement.
- triceratops 2y ago
  > I think you know what is meant by a majority in an election. I thought I did. But now I'm learning that 49-something percent is a majority, so I'm questioning all my beliefs.
- cess11 2y ago
  Perhaps, but I'm not interested in making a point. I'm interested in discovering why it's not important to you to describe the election result precisely. What was the participation? 60% or so? I think so. So maybe 30-35% of the people who could have voted for him actually did. In the US population large portions are unable to vote. You correctly pointed out the very young, but also the pre-adolescent young, the disobedient, the non-citizen, the precarious worker, the infirm and so on should also be included. So the majority you had in mind is rather small compared to what you literally compared it to. I'm guessing the result feels like 'the will of the people' to you anyway? Do you feel like most usians approved of the current regime? Do you also think that 'the will of the people' is inherently democratic? Inherently good, even?
  - gadders 2y ago
    I think the description I gave is consistent with the one used when Democrats get the "majority" of the vote. You can sealion the definition as much as you like, but it won't make you right. The result feels as much the will of the people as any other US election result.
    - cess11 2y ago
      I think you've dreamed that but feel free to showcase some examples to prove me wrong.

giraffe_lady 2y ago

Are you trying to assert that fascism can't be popular? He pretty clearly stated the criteria and how he considers trump's movement in respect to them. You can refute the point¹ but you haven't, merely stating you disagree with them based on the popular vote. ¹ Not to me, I won't read it. I don't care and I've heard enough fascism apologetics on HN in the last few years.

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lolinder 2y ago

It's not hysterical, it's very well reasoned and actually persuaded me, someone who's decidedly centrist.

gadders 2y ago
Then you need to check some of his sources better.
- lolinder 2y ago
  You need to provide better arguments than telling your interlocutor to check sources. This is just FUD unless you have concrete facts to share that make him wrong.